Shannon Pritting: It looks like we're getting to a stable point. So I think we can we can get started if you're ready, Barbara.
Mark McBride: Alright, so, good afternoon everyone.
Mark McBride: I want to, I want to thank everybody for attending the first four webinars.
Mark McBride: These are really aimed at helping us get a conversation going with each other about how we plan to FAISON to our reopening plans.
Mark McBride: Preparing for those fall semester, you know, these, these four webinars. They're not meant to be specific guidance from the SUNY system to the campuses. This is really just an opportunity for us to discuss
Mark McBride: What we all learn together and maybe start to inform you some best practices that are happening in New York state and across the country.
Mark McBride: And today are Carly Barbara boils join this Barbara is the director of environmental health and safety as system admin.
Mark McBride: And Barbara is also a member of the physical preparedness working group within Sunni
Mark McBride: So, Barb has done a lot of research on libraries and reopening and she's been plugged in and taking notes at a lot of the Realm project updates that are that are taking place. So
Mark McBride: She generously agreed to step in today and just share her wit and wisdom what she's glean from a lot of the reopening plans and also what she's heard nationally and across New York state. So we're Shannon's going to record and as he said we're going to monitor the the the chat.
Mark McBride: But at this time, I just want to turn it over to our colleague, Barbara.
Barbara Boyle: Okay, great. So keep your fingers process work two minutes ago.
Barbara Boyle: Okay, am I sharing my screen now.
Shannon Pritting: You good, yeah.
Barbara Boyle: Okay, let me just get to my speaker notes and we're set. So thank you all very much for joining.
Barbara
Shannon Pritting: Your speaker notes were showing, but it looks like it just tucked under so you should be good.
Barbara Boyle: talk down to. Okay, good. This is what you have when you have two screens and actually just tells me what's coming next.
Barbara Boyle: So libraries in the days of coven so I started to look into libraries. A little while ago to help the physical plant people who are trying to make the facility part of the physical plant structure of the campuses.
Barbara Boyle: Ready for this post code or coming back into the campuses, so
Barbara Boyle: I am a certified industrial hygienists and a certified safety professional and I work here at SUNY system administration in the office for capital facilities.
Barbara Boyle: In that capacity, I support campus programs in occupational health and safety. So that's things from dermatitis of a custodian to
Barbara Boyle: A laboratory exposure to chemicals to a trench collapse and everything sort of in between. So those are like OSHA regulations.
Barbara Boyle: I also support campuses for environmental compliance. So EPA in Dec type regulations fire life safety code concerns and also emergency planning.
Barbara Boyle: So during covert I've been involved in a lot of the discussions on how to move forward with first had closed and then second, how to move forward. I have learned a lot during this time.
Barbara Boyle: I'm excited to do this group, though, because my mother in law is a retired academic library. I think her degrees from the University of Buffalo most of her degrees are
Barbara Boyle: But she worked as a library and usually at nine technicians college and after University. She is now safe in Southern California.
Barbara Boyle: In her house that she goes to the grocery store once a week and is doing well. So if what we say provide some value. Maybe I could get letters of support. I did marry her baby 33 years ago. So any positive responses with because the negative responses. I'll just take. Okay.
Barbara Boyle: So disclaimer is right off the front coven is caused by a novel coronavirus and we're going to learn new things every day. We don't have a rock solid history for coven but we can apply general principles.
Barbara Boyle: Of science to how we're addressing the coded problem.
Barbara Boyle: I am not providing sooty guidance or a Sunni mandate or anything along those lines. I've done research with the CDC New York State Department of Health publications and then an assortment of professional or organizations, both in health and safety my wheelhouse and also for some libraries.
Barbara Boyle: So I don't have a crystal ball. And I don't think that Auntie em is likely to be checking in with the vaccine and I have tried clicking my heels together curve. It does not go away.
Barbara Boyle: So,
Barbara Boyle: I'm strong in occupational safety and public health.
Barbara Boyle: I am not a Library Manager. So some of the recommendations I make may not work for your library and and that's fine. We do have an overlap here though.
Barbara Boyle: And that's the place I want to be is that we can have some discussion. Perhaps I can share some of my understanding of the world of coded as you can apply them to your libraries.
Barbara Boyle: So let's just get this right out. If you're not in strict isolation. If you go to the library. If you go to the supermarket. If you take your dog for a walk.
Barbara Boyle: The risk of covert in the United States today is not zero, nothing we can do about that. But we can significantly reduce the risk by taking a look at our activities and taking prudent steps. So, as I see it, the situation.
Barbara Boyle: Is that we really need to understand libraries colleges, whatever that we can't be all things to all people ever. And certainly we can't be all things to all people in the days of covert
Barbara Boyle: We're going to have to restrict some of our activities, some of the things that we would really like to see ourselves doing
Barbara Boyle: May not be possible in this novel semester with the novel virus and the novel challenges.
Barbara Boyle: We need to remain as flexible as possible because what we know today might change a little bit tomorrow or great plans that we put in place today may not seem so great in a week. And so we really need to be able to pivot to address the situation.
Barbara Boyle: One of the things that people in my profession tend to talk about when they talk about protection is the Swiss cheese model of protection and this is really great for coven
Barbara Boyle: So basically it takes a look. Generally, a general hazard. In this case, the novel coronavirus edit only can cause problems at that little arrow.
Barbara Boyle: Can get through layers of cheese and layers of cheese are the different protective steps we take. So the only way you can get from the germs, the virus to disease is it that Eric can get through the pack of cheese.
Barbara Boyle: So we use Swiss cheese. As an example, and it can easily go through the holes in one piece of Swiss cheese. But if we provide different types of preventive
Barbara Boyle: Action and different types of approaches to this. We're adding different layers of Swiss cheese and it makes it harder for the arrow to get through the cheese to cause a problem.
Barbara Boyle: So throughout this conversation I keeping this in the back of my mind. No one thing is going to be a perfect thing. However, we can lay your protection and then hopefully find to find a place that's reasonable and keep keep us relatively safe.
Barbara Boyle: One of the things that I don't know if you're already on campus or on your way to campus is that a lot of campus planning has been going on. I am most familiar with the planet. It's been going on with the facilities people
Barbara Boyle: Remember your library. She was part of a bigger campus. So they had been meeting for months now talking about all sorts of issues from traffic flows to
Barbara Boyle: H back systems to what sort of disinfectants can be used. What sort of new technology is out there.
Barbara Boyle: They've been working very strong trying to prepare the campus. And so the library staff really needs to start talking to the facility staff at that hasn't already occurred. I hope it has
Barbara Boyle: To work into the campus plan, as you know, each campus had to submit and reopening plan and there may be parts of that that will restrict your limits each campus is going to Bath things a little bit differently. So your choices may be limited by what's in your campus plan.
Barbara Boyle: So I just wanted to take some couple seconds to go over how do you catch it. The coronavirus so this poor guy from the CDC, let us picture be taken years and years ago and now he's all over the place. Hopefully he has like a social media countless making some money off of it.
Barbara Boyle: So basically, we know that drop the transmission is really important. So this is viruses and like little bundles that has saliva mucus other proteins and whatnot around it. They're fairly large, they're more than 10 microns, with a micron is one 1,000,000,000th of
Barbara Boyle: A meter.
Barbara Boyle: And so they're fairly heavy and they mostly fall out fairly quickly. So that's how we get to this stage six feet away from people because most of the time in six feet. Most of the particles will have fallen by that.
Barbara Boyle: There was a lot of discussion early on about for my transmission, which is a fancy term for contact surface contact, which means that I sneeze onto a countertop and five minutes later, you come by and touch it and then a couple of minutes later you touch your face or your eyes.
Barbara Boyle: That is a way to get the virus, which is why we're going to talk a little bit about housekeeping and custodial activities is probably not nearly as important as droplet transmission
Barbara Boyle: When we get to the next one, aerosol transmission. This is sort of new new. It's been in the news a lot. What that means is that while people are just talking, potentially, or when they're coughing or sneezing or whatever you're releasing very small particles, much smaller than the 10 microns.
Barbara Boyle: And they remain airborne for some period of time and capable of causing disease. We don't know how much Cove, it is transmitted that way.
Barbara Boyle: It is not. It is not the primary way. However, it does explain some weird things that people have documented.
Barbara Boyle: coven does not appear to be though, like a real aerosol transmission disease. So, for example, measles is mostly spread through aerosols.
Barbara Boyle: And what that translates to, in real life, is if someone has measles unquote goes to your doctors offices and is examined and two hours later, your doctor let you go to the same exam room.
Barbara Boyle: You might pick up the measles because it stays in the air for that long.
Barbara Boyle: That does not appear to be the case of coven but we still want to talk a little bit about eight pack systems and getting lots of fresh air into spaces. At this point, we still don't know what an infectious doses does one little virus particle
Barbara Boyle: Potentially give you an infection or do you need a fair number of them. And that's a function of diseases and the corona viruses are all over the place. So as a family. We don't quite know where this one falls it yet.
Barbara Boyle: Our major tools when you get back on campus are testing a contact race in which I will talk about here, and that is identifying people who are sick and getting them out of the workplace or the school place, getting them home and figuring out who they may have infected.
Barbara Boyle: The next one is face covers and we can see lots of documentation, although there are political arguments. But basically, if you look at the literature.
Barbara Boyle: When communities implement face covering their infection rates go down.
Barbara Boyle: And then also social distancing since most of this is droplets and they fall out within six feet. If you can stay six feet away from other people, you're not, you're much less likely to catch coven
Barbara Boyle: These last two are called NP eyes and non pharmaceutical interventions and there with a nother a bigger portfolio that includes hand planing surface cleaning cough and again screening people, the ways that we can prevent the disease from from spreading.
Barbara Boyle: The CDC has a whole bunch of information that you can go and take and print out and post all over the library or post all over your house, whatever it is, you'd like to do
Barbara Boyle: On all sorts of coven related topics. So this one is just follow everyday health habits.
Barbara Boyle: Just little reminders about six feet and washing your hands are using hand sanitizers. And just for the record, washing your hands with plain old soap and water for at least 20 seconds is
Barbara Boyle: The best. It's the the ideal thing to do use a hand sanitizer at the soap and water is not available.
Barbara Boyle: But plain old soap and water is the best way to get the coronavirus if it happens to be on your hands off. You don't need to use any sort of special soap or antibacterial soap plain old soap and water.
Barbara Boyle: CDC has even started to go to special groups. So this is college back to college tips and again these are available there in the public domain. You can use them however you like. Watch your distance, wash your hands were a face cover.
Barbara Boyle: They also have a bunch of materials that talk about going back into public after we've all been out of public for a while. So part of that document is visited a library. It's meant more for Community libraries, but a lot is similar
Barbara Boyle: When we talk about reducing the risk. We often talk about a hierarchy of controls and I just want to quickly sort of talk about this in terms of covert
Barbara Boyle: So the hierarchy of controls says that there are certain things that you can do like elimination and substitution of hazards.
Barbara Boyle: That are really effective in protecting workers or protecting the general public. These are ones that often require thinking about things before you do them.
Barbara Boyle: And upfront initial costs so elimination means you completely remove the hazard. So if I have a factory and I'm making furniture and people keep getting hurt on the old bands off maybe I just eliminate that band saw.
Barbara Boyle: Substitution is replacing the hazard. So, that is, if I have my furniture factory and I'm using
Barbara Boyle: Tall Ewing, as it or baffling fluoride as a furniture stripper. Maybe there's a better chemical that I can substitute
Barbara Boyle: Then they get into engineering controls, but somehow another tries to keep the hazard away from the person again a significant
Barbara Boyle: Expense at times, but it is really effective.
Barbara Boyle: And then you get into administrative controls and PPA so administrative controls are changing how someone works changing rules behaviors and whatnot and P P is personal protective equipment. Those Lester depend on people.
Barbara Boyle: Doing what is best for them at all times and not taking shortcuts for this Friday afternoon and sons. Nice and the beaches rating.
Barbara Boyle: So those are things that are less effective. Overall, but sometimes you can get them into place really fast, while you're waiting for the others. So this is a general approached has your control.
Barbara Boyle: So for coven it's a little bit different elimination and substitution aren't really options because we have the coven so it's more like we have a building on fire.
Barbara Boyle: You can stay home you can work remotely. You can try to avoid other people, but we can't really do too much past that. Well, at this point, the buildings on fire.
Barbara Boyle: We have to help with hope that we can get the fire out
Barbara Boyle: engineering controls become more important when we talk to cove it so this may include barriers partition sneeze guards guards in the light at customer points asserts of service. So that's just like what we have that most of our stories.
Barbara Boyle: Did someone say something
Barbara Boyle: Okay.
Barbara Boyle: So we can put those up and that will provide us with some protection when we have to meet with the general public.
Barbara Boyle: On each back adjustments adjustments. That's your ventilation system. Those may become important.
Barbara Boyle: We can take a look at our activities and our equipment and see where we can be hands free or no touch.
Barbara Boyle: We can make sure that we're not doing things like sharing pens that we're not taking cards and handing them back and forth at the
Barbara Boyle: Point of control. Maybe if the card just needs to be scanned the person can hold it and scan it
Barbara Boyle: So it's taking a look at actions like that. And we can also look at what sort of disinfectants that we're going to be using
Barbara Boyle: So I wanted to just talk a little bit about a check, because the governor came out a while ago and said most can open the less they had have a filtration.
Barbara Boyle: And the problem is that most buildings can have this ultra, ultra fine hair filtration on their air conditioning or heating systems that the system is just not meant to work like that.
Barbara Boyle: Most large buildings, what happens is you take an outdoor air and you either heating or cooling and then you distribute it to the building and then you research, a little bit of that with more outdoor air.
Barbara Boyle: And pass it through some filters and then you put it back in the building. So the systems are designed so that you can't go crazy with filtration. Because what happens is the
Barbara Boyle: Equipment will start to fail. And then you'll have no ventilation so
Barbara Boyle: There are ways to improve it, though. So the things that we have suggested to physical plan people is that you take a look at how much outdoor air you're providing and increase that. And so our physical plant. People have been working on that.
Barbara Boyle: We've also suggested that they maximize filtration and this is if you've been reading articles Merv rating. So the governor really wants mirth 13
Barbara Boyle: The higher the Merv rating, the better they are the finer the filtration. So we've asked our people to go back and take a look at what sort of filters, they're using. And again, this is part of the design of the system and just make sure that they're using as good as they can.
Barbara Boyle: Each time you go up you stress the system a little bit more and you get slightly finer filtration, but trying to get increased the Merv rating.
Barbara Boyle: We're not going to get to have the filtration, though, that doesn't really make sense to talk about most large buildings.
Barbara Boyle: We've also asked the physical plant people to keep the systems running for longer. Often they have offense, so
Barbara Boyle: That you don't run the ventilation system all night and we're asking that they perhaps rather for two or three hours and get a couple of air changes for the building on either side of the work day
Barbara Boyle: And we're also asking that they go back and make sure all of their preventative maintenance is up today and that the systems are acting the way we expect them to. So that's one of the tools that we have
Barbara Boyle: administrative controls are establishing policies and procedures training workers on the hazards and then installing warning labels and similar
Barbara Boyle: To keep people aware of the hazards. So this is where we actually can do a lot with coven
Barbara Boyle: We can do things like talking about social distancing make making people understand why it's important not to gather and little tiny groups or to give grandma hug or things like that.
Barbara Boyle: We can do floor markets like they do in supermarkets or we can mark six feet for the lines.
Barbara Boyle: We can tell people, and post signage about respiratory etiquette, that if I sneeze or cough, I should do so in my arm in my elbow or I should do it in a tissue. Take the tissue immediately put it in a trash container and wash my hands. We can talk about handwashing
Barbara Boyle: We can talk about screening employees as they come in.
Barbara Boyle: For this part of the talk. I went to the American Industrial Hygiene Association. What am I, professional organizations and they have a couple of
Barbara Boyle: Well, they actually have at this point, a lot of documents talking about reopening so they specifically have one guidance for libraries.
Barbara Boyle: And it is intended to take a lot of what we know scientifically as we know it as best we can and break it down into very readable directions and suggestions they also have one for museums and collecting institutions, which is a little bit different.
Barbara Boyle: They are really great things to just remind you of some of the steps you can take to make your library, just a little bit safer.
Barbara Boyle: So this is the outline for the guidance for libraries. Again, it's intended for more community libraries, but often a lot of it goes over to an academic library.
Barbara Boyle: cleaning materials. This is a big one. So we're all going to have to start cleaning the things that we touch.
Barbara Boyle: And high contact places, whether that's the copier or the desk or the door knobs, we will have custodians
Barbara Boyle: Most custodial staff are upping their game and cleaning things more frequently, but unfortunately we're all gonna have to pitch him with this as well.
Barbara Boyle: So in New York State. You need to use something that has a product that is on a DC list. And if you read national stuff. They say the EPA and list.
Barbara Boyle: I just look at the DC list. That's the link to it. You can also, if you go on to New York State Department of Health coven I'm you can easily get to that link.
Barbara Boyle: And basically if it's honored that you see less. We know it's on the EPA list.
Barbara Boyle: Okay, so you have to look on the container for the instructions. How are you supposed to use this stuff and then someplace usually right near the ingredients. It gets you in APA registry number
Barbara Boyle: So I'm that container. I was able to find this registry number and then when I go to the list. It's a I don't know 2040 page list.
Barbara Boyle: And I just search for that EPA registry number and it will tell me that it's on the list.
Barbara Boyle: Exactly what product is make sure that that matches and make sure that it matches what type of product. It is like this is a white
Barbara Boyle: So our to you is ready to use. Sometimes there are sprays. Sometimes there are concentrates, so you need to make sure that you're using appropriate cleaners. This is not the time to do the
Barbara Boyle: hippie natural good vibration cleaners. Okay. You need to make sure that they're going to deal with coping.
Barbara Boyle: Skills for cleaning and disinfecting you're going to need to talk to the custodial people to make sure that your needs are being met. You need to identify any high touch areas and any multi user equipment you need to sit down with the custodians and plan for cleaning and disinfection
Barbara Boyle: You need to establish routine procedures and understand how the products that have been selected are to be used. So in my office.
Barbara Boyle: I've been here for the duration I plead each morning when I get it. And just before I leave, I presume the custodians clean that I have like times that I clean. I use my Clorox wipes and I
Barbara Boyle: Go through and I I've identified the surfaces. It takes me not very long at all. But that's the sort of thing that we have to get each person to do we have to make sure that we have enough cleaning materials available to staff and then probably also to patrons.
Barbara Boyle: I know that it's difficult to supply days, but you might want to just put out the Clorox wipes. They might their hands.
Barbara Boyle: On and then or I'm sorry, wipe the surfaces that they've been on and then you have to have hand sanitizer, and in the bathrooms, you need to have soap and water ready for cleaning
Barbara Boyle: Distances distancing is another huge thing that we can do. And in libraries, we really need to take a look at what our common areas are
Barbara Boyle: And we need to make sure, what is the maximum occupancy that we can keep people six feet apart from one another and and
Barbara Boyle: Put that up as a sign and make sure that we're using the spaces in accordance with that maximum occupancy
Barbara Boyle: That may mean that in your study room or your conference area, you need to take out those chairs or you need to take off areas.
Barbara Boyle: You may have a space that you just have chairs facing each way every three or four feet down, you might need to take out a whole lot of those chairs.
Barbara Boyle: Are occupancy rates are going to go way down, you may want to consider closing or eliminating share common areas to avoid crowds. You know where in your library. People like to hang out.
Barbara Boyle: And it might be more appropriate during these days of Calvin to take the couch and put it to the side and as people not to sit there
Barbara Boyle: You may want to consider limiting the capacity or the number of patients in the library at one time. So my daughter is doing postgraduate work at Durham University in Durham England.
Barbara Boyle: And the school. The university is closed, but they just this week started opening up the library and
Barbara Boyle: For her, and only for post spreads, I think, but she has to sign up and she can have a two hour slot. She has to sign up each week. She's assigned to Carol.
Barbara Boyle: That is only for that period of time to clean it up afterwards and only so many people there are only so many slots fair and she said, it's really eerie being in a library when no one else is there. I think she's exaggerating a little bit
Barbara Boyle: But that's what you're going to need to do and I know this is difficult for live ran
Barbara Boyle: Potentially for libraries, but you may want to limit access, maybe you can't let anyone who wants to come in, come in, you may have to just limited to students or limited to some sort of appointments
Barbara Boyle: Again, I'm not a librarian, but I'm trying to bring up things. So hopefully you can discuss it among yourselves or hopefully I will have trigger a couple of things that you say, well, I can't do this, but I could do this. And that's my goal here.
Barbara Boyle: So the physical plan, people have gone through this isn't the best graphic. It's the best one I could find them. Sorry. And, and they've taken a look at classroom layouts.
Barbara Boyle: And they have established new classroom layout so that each person is six feet separated from everyone else. So where they might have had six chairs on a table. Now, maybe they only have two
Barbara Boyle: So occupancy rates are go down are going way down small classrooms are not going to be used because it's just too difficult. And the big large classrooms are going to be used at a much, much lower capacity.
Barbara Boyle: They've also gone through to take a look at like probably rolled in the like and they've talked about how to all those the partitions need to be, how can we make sure that maybe we put arrows on the floors that there's one directional traffic.
Barbara Boyle: So there, they've been working for the summer on a whole bunch of things like this. This is a draft. I don't really like everything in it, but it's it's a nice graphic and from University of Albany. It was a draft. It was early in their process that they were thinking about this.
Barbara Boyle: We want to take a look to make sure that we don't end up with lines to either check out materials come into your
Barbara Boyle: Facility. Use the restroom, whatever we want to avoid places where people are going to congregate with or without masks, preferably in New York. Everyone has masks on. That is a requirement by the governor and you can actually refuse service to people who won't wear masks.
Barbara Boyle: Talk to your campus council that how you're going to do it.
Barbara Boyle: For services for libraries, we might have place marks on the floor, wherever line may develop or just to show people what six feet is because quite frankly, most people don't know. We probably want to have visual reminders.
Barbara Boyle: About social distancing. We want to make sure that we remove all of the paper brochures and flyers from the common areas. The lobby the front desk.
Barbara Boyle: Don't share pens avoid that, because you don't want people touching everything and then you also don't want
Barbara Boyle: People congregating to see the latest information. I know that's a change and how we look forward to libraries, but this is important. We want to avoid those bottlenecks.
Barbara Boyle: We want to look see it there any services that we can automate such as check out to limit contact. We can look at asking patrons to pre order books or other library materials.
Barbara Boyle: And we want to avoid the use of common, common use of equipment wherever we can. If we can't. We want to make sure we have protocols for cleaning them.
Barbara Boyle: For staff distancing if your desks should be at least six feet apart and you're measuring that from the edge to the edge of the next desk.
Barbara Boyle: If possible, some administrative staff might work from home or you might have a team. A and team day. Again, it depends on what your campus.
Barbara Boyle: Program is you want to encourage staff, not to linger are socialized and common areas or break rooms. I know you want to have good cohesive team. This is not the time to do it.
Barbara Boyle: Take a look at where your staff is meeting with patrons maximize the staffing mark the floor, make it so that it's not easy to pull over a chair and sit real close and discuss the problems. Consider telephone assistance photo library and zoom a librarian as much as possible.
Barbara Boyle: For programming. I know that libraries often have readings performances gatherings meetings tutoring tutors, all of these things may be conducted virtually. This may be the time that you can't be all things to all people, you sort of have to make your building a little bit less invite
Barbara Boyle: Personal protective equipment or
Shannon Pritting: There's a
Shannon Pritting: There's a good queue of questions. If
Barbara Boyle: Not most
Shannon Pritting: Most of them are focused on cleaning. Do you want to take them now or do you are you close
Barbara Boyle: The cleaning. Now, I was getting closer. But God
Shannon Pritting: OK, so the first one was when you were talking about the the EPA
Shannon Pritting: Suggested list. The question was, if there's something that is in that list. And there's a generic equivalent is that ok to use
No.
Barbara Boyle: Okay, so the generics if they're producing it will have their own the EPA registry number. So it could be the same chemicals, the registry number has to be on the list.
Shannon Pritting: And then I'm not sure if you know this, off the top of your head, but is wiping surfaces with 60% alcohol. Okay.
Barbara Boyle: Um, Department of Health was guidance that said it should be 70%
Shannon Pritting: Excellent. Okay.
Shannon Pritting: And then there was a couple of chats about
Shannon Pritting: The
Shannon Pritting: There were reports from a public library that the staff had been using Clark's wipes and they had become ill because of using Klara Clorox wipes so frequently someone else responded that they were using alcohol based instead instead because that was
Shannon Pritting: less toxic. Do you have any comments on that.
Barbara Boyle: So I don't know specifically about that event. We are all going to be using hand sanitizer or surface wipes more frequently whether their alcohol or their this stuff that's in Clorox and
Barbara Boyle: They're trying to kill the virus. They're not really good for us.
Barbara Boyle: So some people are more susceptible. Some people will end up with dry skin and have to be a little bit more careful. They might have to wear gloves as they're wiping down everything that actually might just be a good idea in general.
Barbara Boyle: We're gonna have to play it by ear. We might have to switch so that you can get to something that is comfortable for you and doesn't cause you problems.
Shannon Pritting: And then the. There was another question that was about that one campus is having trouble getting things like Clorox wipes. So they're using spray bottles and then someone else responded that
Shannon Pritting: It's not recommended to you spray bottles, because the spray aerosolized is the disinfectant and it makes it less, less than less. It causes problems with inhaling, etc.
Barbara Boyle: Okay, so if you're spraying something is not intended to be sprayed Yes, actually, if you're spraying something in inhaling it yes can cause problems.
Barbara Boyle: But the important message here is that you need to use the disinfectant in the way it was intended to be used when they asked the EPA for their registration number
Barbara Boyle: So if it is something that is supposed to be used as a white, then that's how you should be using it. You can't drain it out, put in a spray bottle. Similarly, if you have
Barbara Boyle: Material that is intended to be a spray you should be spraying it on the surface and letting it stay for the length of time they tell you, it needs to do for the EPA registration.
Shannon Pritting: Thanks, thanks. Um, and then this one is not related to to cleaning, but there was a question that was just asking, are there general guidelines or is there some reference you can point to about partition height for, you know, like a shared office space. Like was it
Barbara Boyle: Was in the you Albany, there is not clear guidance for that.
Barbara Boyle: And so I have had debates with people. If you can keep people six feet apart vertically horizontally rather that's really important.
Barbara Boyle: I don't know if a five and a half foot divider is good enough. If I need to have six feet, I think, a lot has to do with how people are working if they're standing up sitting down.
Barbara Boyle: There's not definitive guidance, though I have looked hard for you.
Shannon Pritting: And the last question before I think, you know, we can move on, is
Shannon Pritting: Is there any Sunni initiative to help with cleaning supplies Carrie had responded that he was going to look into it but just checking to see if you had any other comments on that.
Shannon Pritting: Cash that is
Barbara Boyle: Right, so I know that our university wide procurement is looking at establishing contracts and I think has some contracts in place for both pp. And for some cleaning agents.
Barbara Boyle: Cleaning agency might still be working on it on hand sanitizer. We have been able to get from the New York State Office of Emergency Management for campuses when they requested it on. That's the Department of Corrections material. We can still get that for a while.
Shannon Pritting: All right, great. I think we can move on to
Barbara Boyle: People. Okay.
Shannon Pritting: And I knew P P would would have some discussion. So I wanted to make sure we got through
Barbara Boyle: Yeah, I appreciate that. Again, I have a visual feedback. So okay, so P P is the last resort of protection, simply because it depends on you, making the right decision, all the time.
Barbara Boyle: So one of the things we talked about for covert his face coverings which is actually not pp its community protective equipment and that is where I were faced covered to protect you.
Barbara Boyle: From whatever I'm spewing out New York State now has regulations. Most people are required to wear them unless there's some such a special situation or you're under two or you have some health issue.
Barbara Boyle: The CDC has a number of documents, again, that you can use and put up to remind people
Barbara Boyle: Face coverings can look like surgical mask. They can look like the fabric mass in this picture. They can be gators and they can be
Barbara Boyle: Valid cloud service. I always get that word wrong and I think I got it right. That time, basically, though they need to cover the nose and the mouth.
Barbara Boyle: Okay so wearing my mask around my dad is not sufficient wearing my mask on my mouth, but not on my nose is not sufficient. You can refuse service.
Barbara Boyle: To people who refuse to comply with this. In addition, all of the campus opening plans have some rendition of this or some some type of statement about face coverings. But this is a common courtesy is sort of a collective responsibility.
Barbara Boyle: There are different types of things have a face covers the and 95 TO THE ONES. THE HOSPITAL WHERE IS us they depend on a really close deal between the mask and the person's face. And there's a whole program for it. We reserve that for healthcare workers.
Barbara Boyle: We have a better supply of surgical masks of different qualities and that people can also use face coverings.
Barbara Boyle: The thing that drives me crazy is what I look at face coverings like this lovely and 95 made by mold X. They manufacturing California lovely company. This is my go to mask, if I needed for home for non coven reasons.
Barbara Boyle: However, it's got a big exhalation valve and a lot of the ones that I see when I go to Lowes or wherever.
Barbara Boyle: People are wearing these what that mass does is it makes sure that when I'm breathing in air, it's clean, it's gone through all the filters.
Barbara Boyle: So if the mask fits me correctly. I am protected from other people, but the exhalation valve works when I exhale all the air just comes right out. So it comes right out with any Cobra germs or any other germs. I have. So this is not keeping
Barbara Boyle: The general intent of face coverings. I would not let people into my library wearing something like this.
Barbara Boyle: Again, CDC has all sorts of information there that you can use to to post a review.
Barbara Boyle: Pp is the other important thing curve. It is not spread through skin contact. However, it can be spread if I touch something that you've just needs that. And then I touched my face.
Barbara Boyle: If you're using glass. You just want to be careful that it doesn't give you a false sense of security that when you're removing them. You're not snapping them all over the place.
Barbara Boyle: Make sure that you don't start touching your face or your face coverings more because you have the gloves on. People tend to do that. I don't know why.
Barbara Boyle: You need to wash your hands or use hand sanitizer. When you take your gloves off.
Barbara Boyle: You don't want to reduce that are so I was wearing gloves. I can skip that step.
Barbara Boyle: And you want to make sure that you dispose of the in the plain old regular trash. It's not medical waste or anything like that, but you need to make sure that they're not just collected on the side of the desk where they can affect other people
Barbara Boyle: So again, these are some of the great batters the great public servicing service announcements at the CDC has that we can go through
Barbara Boyle: So now this was my question. Slide did that trigger any questions or can I go into library materials really fast. And I know I'm going over a half hour. I'm sorry. Is that OK.
Shannon Pritting: No, it's I think it's perfectly fine. There was one question that oh, I'll synthesize a little bit. What would I think the intent of the question was, is
Shannon Pritting: Has there been any discussion about students asking for accommodations that they want to utilize private rooms, because many of our libraries have study rooms.
Shannon Pritting: So the term use was if they want to use a study room as a German bubble. But I think you know this this type of question could come up with like someone saying I want to use this room. I need to use this room because
Barbara Boyle: In the crime. Yeah. So I know that people have taken solace in libraries those I wouldn't have gotten to college, I get all of that.
Barbara Boyle: You're going to have to come up though with a plan on how to address that you can no longer have these rooms where you have even four or five people in a relatively small room.
Barbara Boyle: So I have a conference room down the hall from me that usually has I don't know 15 or 16 people in it and the occupancy now with the six feet is for
Barbara Boyle: We also now have to reserve that conference room, and it's reserved for longer than the meeting period so that the custodial
Barbara Boyle: People will come in and wipe down all of the surfaces. So yes, you can have these rooms, but you need to maintain the six feet and you need to have some sort of system to make sure that everyone is following the rules and they're clean between users.
Shannon Pritting: And there was there was some follow up discussion to about
Shannon Pritting: If there's been a discussion of, you know, so there's social distancing that we that we want to encourage but if a group is saying we're dorm mates were roommates. We're all going to be in the same room together and that's going to be our
Shannon Pritting: The germ bubble keeps coming up, but
Barbara Boyle: During mumble idea.
Shannon Pritting: I think, I think the group is the key. So I just didn't know if that had come up. Because I imagine it's coming up in other predicaments too.
Barbara Boyle: So, so it does come up. And if we look at the New York for guidance for higher ed, they talk about the use of face mask and social distancing unless you are. It's still in the same. I think they call it family unit and then parent that ugly. They say that you live in the same room.
Barbara Boyle: People are social animals, that's going to be tough, but that is the guidance from New York state that you don't let down your guard. Unless that's the person you're living with and then you become like a little social bubble
Barbara Boyle: That other bubbles are going to exist.
Barbara Boyle: It decreases safety, it doesn't surprise me. But it's not a seat.
Barbara Boyle: So I continue
Shannon Pritting: I think there's one last one that I think would be good to talk about. And it's about the masks with respirator valves. So the question was,
Shannon Pritting: If a mask has a respirator valve and is not an end 95, we should not use it correct, but I think what you were saying is respirator valves typically mean that exhaling is not filtered inhaling is filtered
Barbara Boyle: Yet, typically, that's what it is. So any type of mass that has those
Barbara Boyle: exhalation valves which make them more comfortable or not protecting other people
Barbara Boyle: Okay.
Shannon Pritting: I think we're caught up. Thank you.
Barbara Boyle: Okay, so I think many of you are familiar with the realm project, which is a multi library museum Patel National Lab and they're taking a look at library materials.
Barbara Boyle: To help you determine how long you have to quarantine things coming into libraries and what sort of precautions you need to take
Barbara Boyle: So it's a big project phase one, which is ending this month was a literature review the developed testing plans. Um, so that Patel
Barbara Boyle: Patel could test how long the germ lives a different library type materials on they did some initial testing. They started one actually even just last week, they're gathering information on protocols and whatnot. Whoops. Oh, I went all the way to the end.
Barbara Boyle: For sure is.
Barbara Boyle: OK, phase two, they're going to test more materials, they're going to look at workflows in libraries and do some additional testing.
Barbara Boyle: Phase three is going to be a watch away from October to September of next year, they're going to monitor what's going on in the libraries and figure out what other information librarians and library managers need
Barbara Boyle: So the first set of testing was published in July and they took a look at how long the virus lives on these sorts of surfaces.
Barbara Boyle: And basically what they did is they took little pieces of those materials that were donated from libraries. They were not
Barbara Boyle: disinfected or anything beforehand, just as they were things that were in circulation.
Barbara Boyle: They took little samples of them, they put the virus on them and then they watched what happened to the virus. When these little pieces of material coupons were laying out on trays at library like temperature and humidity. So it sort of looked like the picture on the right.
Barbara Boyle: And they wanted to take a look at what happened to the covered virus at not six nine and 12 days and then they realized that
Barbara Boyle: It attenuated very quickly. So they do a second round, and then they looked at what happens to the virus. A days, one, three, and four. Okay, so those are the colored lines, the different materials. This is a logarithmic scale so
Barbara Boyle: Each one of these is a factor of 10. So one is 10 to as 103 is 1000
Barbara Boyle: This line over here. Can you see my
Barbara Boyle: Okay, the red dash line is limited upon a quantification, and that is that they can count sort of how many of the viruses are available are still alive and able to, in fact, at a certain point in time.
Barbara Boyle: This of course is the time frame. And so below this line. It's a very qualitative answer. Yeah, they see some living viruses or no, they can't find any
Barbara Boyle: But this is quantitative. So they looked at the decay of the materials and their conclusion was by day three, pretty much all of the materials they tested didn't have the virus left. And this is what supports a 72 hour quarantine.
Barbara Boyle: So that's what you've heard about part two is a static configuration because people came back and said, oh,
Barbara Boyle: We don't put out all of our materials like a little trays and just leave them open to the air. We actually stack them and
Barbara Boyle: And this this experiment, they looked at these materials. The way you would find them in a library. In this case, they took the small little materials and stuck them inside books are stuck them inside folders and then took a look at what happened.
Barbara Boyle: And this is the same sort of scale. Again, it's like rhythmic. This is the time. This is my quantification level and they saw that it took a little bit longer than three days.
Barbara Boyle: To see the materials go to a place where they were non detectable as viable by the second day, certainly by the third day they were so low that you couldn't measure them.
Barbara Boyle: We don't know if a single virus could cause disease. So you could argue that you're 72 hour warranty might should perhaps to be four days.
Barbara Boyle: It's just not really likely because this is pretty low. Again, each of these increases as a factor of 10
Barbara Boyle: So they are now.
Barbara Boyle: Four days was the most that it took for anything to go down. So that was their final time point and that's to go down to zero.
Barbara Boyle: They are going to soon publish tests on other types of materials that you generally see in libraries.
Barbara Boyle: They're also going through and they just started a test last Friday thing.
Barbara Boyle: For the materials that they studied in the very first test, but this time in a stack configuration.
Barbara Boyle: And again, their whole point here is not to develop recommendations, but to provide you with information about how long your quarantine period should be
Barbara Boyle: So three days, maybe four days there's some studies that were really early to talk about seven days.
Barbara Boyle: You can choose to do that probably way overkill, but for something very strange or you want to be extra, extra careful, you could do that. But typically, I think museums and libraries are using the 72 hours in the 96 hours.
Barbara Boyle: So I think we're all familiar with deaths. I tried to keep that short and sweet.
Barbara Boyle: Good so far with questions.
Shannon Pritting: There was only one follow up question, which was on masks and and I think the question was that you know that there, someone had seen
Shannon Pritting: A mask with a respirator valve, but then it had a filter and then just, you know, I think there. There may be students who are coming with different types of masks.
Shannon Pritting: And just, you know, your comment on. Are there any good masks with respirator valves that also have filters. If someone wants to, you know, do do that type of know
Barbara Boyle: The whole purpose of the valve to select your air out easily. So once you see the bow, you know that it's not acting as a filter for things coming out.
Barbara Boyle: I would make that a hard and fast rule. I don't know if it's an all the campus reopening plans, though I know that
Barbara Boyle: Several campuses have put that in their plans. Excellent. Thank you.
Barbara Boyle: So when I was preparing for this. I also looked at the Northeast document Conservation Center. They have information out there about conservation and also what to do in case of covert
Barbara Boyle: They suggest that men have three day quarantine. And again, if you wanted to go longer maybe four days maybe a week.
Barbara Boyle: You could decide to do that for probably three days is sufficient. Again, we don't have everything etched in stone. So we're doing the best we can. The realm project will bring a higher level of confidence to these decisions.
Barbara Boyle: They talk about disinfecting and I've had a couple of questions from campuses where people want to disinfect things in all sorts of unusual ways
Barbara Boyle: So they came out, actually, though, and said, liquid disinfectants and patter cleaners on things like books don't make sense. You don't want to use them. You don't want wet saggy books, even if they smell like Lysol
Barbara Boyle: UV rays exposure as a means of sterilization is not recommended in most general cases there may be very specific circumstances where something like that would work.
Barbara Boyle: We know that UBC does kill the virus. However, it needs to be in contact with that light and the life has to have sufficient intensity
Barbara Boyle: And when you have those factors in place. Not only does it kill the carbon, but it also hurts. Other materials.
Barbara Boyle: And you have to make sure that no one is exposed to it because UBC is even worse on the scale from wrinkles to skin cancer UBC is worse.
Barbara Boyle: It kills it kills the virus, probably not doesn't make sense to use on your typical books. Typical magazines typical library materials microwave ovens big no no. Yes the Microwave may kill the virus, but it's much more likely to cause a fire.
Barbara Boyle: fogging of disinfectants is generally not considered to be useful for most collections. Again, there may be very limited uses
Barbara Boyle: Everyone came out of the woodwork back in May and June trying to sell us finding disinfecting
Barbara Boyle: Systems, where people had envisioned that you've just walked through the building with a little bond and everything would be fact
Barbara Boyle: That fog has to get to the place where the germs are so with the viruses in a book on a shelf finding it probably isn't going to get to it. So it has limited value.
Barbara Boyle: Again, they're looking at this and they'll update their recommendation as time goes by.
Barbara Boyle: So again, more from the CDC, they really have lots of stuff you can go to print resources to get all sorts of posters eight and a half by 1111 by 17 you can feel free to use it in your newsletters, communications, whatever.
Barbara Boyle: This is something from the Texas Medical Association, and they have quantified or semi semi quantitatively, I guess.
Barbara Boyle: Take they've taken a look at different activities that we all want to go back to and sort of tried to make them separate into low risk moderate risk and high risk. Again, it's the Texas Medical Association. They were kind enough to say that we can use their stuffs lungs, we provided credit
Barbara Boyle: So that is something that might be of interest to you.
Barbara Boyle: But basically keep calm and wash your hands and I know that that is much easier to say than do in times of coven
Barbara Boyle: So at lunchtime today when I was nervous that I had to give this presentation I read the New York Times at lunchtime and they actually have in today's paper five minute coronavirus stress resets five
Barbara Boyle: bizarre things to do. So you can just break the stress and like stop that spiral of oh my god this is never going to add. We're all gonna die.
Barbara Boyle: So it is interesting reading. I do some of them. One of them, though, is to immerse your face and ice and supposedly it stops this spiral of loss of control for just a short period of time. I think it's 10 seconds, but there are some less drastic measures as well. So that's in today's times
Barbara Boyle: So one of them is also listening to music. Hopefully uplifting calming music. You can try that.
Barbara Boyle: Sometimes I just feel though, I need to just like crawl into the belt with something
Barbara Boyle: So that is my contact information. I am available if I can help you.
Barbara Boyle: The Environmental Health and Safety person on your campus has probably been working very hard over these past couple of months, please find out where that person is if you don't know who they are.
Barbara Boyle: On they can provide you with guidance as well. I work with them a lot is a collection of really great people emergency managers have been working and also the physical plant directors.
Shannon Pritting: So, Barbara. We tried to give you a few questions. We knew you would be asked and I'm remiss in sharing this one with you, but someone brought this up.
Shannon Pritting: A lot of our libraries have
Shannon Pritting: Anatomy sets so bones and schools, etc. That they allow people to use and circulate. Do you have any recommendations for cleaning those or or anything like that.
Barbara Boyle: So, um, I don't off the top of my head. And this is a problem because my daughter who's studying in England is a bio archaeologist
Barbara Boyle: So I should know
Barbara Boyle: And I don't, I would have ever suggest that, well, they can reach out to me. But the American Industrial Hygiene Association has that whole reopening guy. I don't know for a fact. The informations there. But I'm thinking it might be
Okay, great.
Shannon Pritting: I think we're caught up on questions, um,
Shannon Pritting: Yeah, okay.
Barbara Boyle: Ok I
Barbara Boyle: Think easier things to think about. So hopefully I know that you all have your reopening plans, your personal reopening plans, but hopefully I've jagged your thought process just a little bit over this past 15 minutes
Barbara Boyle: I appreciate you all listening. Hope you found it useful.
Mark McBride: Thank you so much. This has been great.
Shannon Pritting: Yes.
Barbara Boyle: Thank you very much. I will leave. Then, but feel free to give me a call or reach out to me by email, if I can help in any way.
Shannon Pritting: Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Mark McBride: And Shannon you you have recorded this and it will