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Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): The morning, and thanks for joining us today, my name is Esther talks Daddy and i'm the shared collections coordinator with Sunni library services.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): i'm presenting on behalf of the Sunni connect Task Force we're just going to do an update today on the work that we've been doing we're going to talk about who's on our group and the charge and how we've been communicating out and plan to communicate out with you.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Then we have a few very targeted questions for you about the Sunni connect renewal.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): And finally we're going to have some time for just an open Q amp a to answer your questions have a discussion wherever that ends up going.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So I first just wanted to share the task force charge apologies for the wall of text essentially the xcode database package that is part of our Sunni connects suite of resources, this package of xcode databases comes up for renewal.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Next, end of June 2022 and so we've pulled the shared collections committee has pulled together a task force to review the package and recommend a course of action to the.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): The SS CC and the SLC board in regards to renewing that package.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): This slide lists the membership of the task force, we have a really nice representation of the sectors and we've we've had a really engaged group.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): stephanie has from binghamton is the chair and has been helping coordinate the work of the group, and I just want to take a moment to thank everyone on this task force because it's been a really engaged group of individuals.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So one of the first.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): projects that we completed was a survey of you have the suny libraries, we were looking for feedback on that current package of obscure databases, and so we asked some specific questions about those databases.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): As well as we presented a few options.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): To help inform our strategy for managing the upcoming renewal.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): We received 54 responses to that survey, which is was an excellent response rate and we shared an analysis of the survey.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Via workplace and posted on our live guide and I can go ahead and share that link to the survey analysis in the chat.
Susan Davis Bartl: I already put the live guide chat Thank you look guys a link in the chat so.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Great Thank you.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): The key takeaways from that survey was that the majority of the databases in our package were listed as important to have a very significant number of campuses I think most of the databases more than 20 campuses said yes, this database is important to our programs.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Additionally, the majority of campuses supported renewing sort of as is they were interested in an approach that looked like having a competitive bid between the major vendors on state contract, as has been done in the past.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): There was generally support for the the current pack package of databases, additionally, the majority of campuses wouldn't consider additional spend or price increases, just as a general statement without having more information about those increases and, finally, the majority of campuses.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Believe it was something like over over 40 of the responding campuses were interested in exploring shared streaming video ebook or dei related collections and.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): The next project we're working on.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): is coordinating meetings with the directors from the various school sectors within Sunni so in those meetings we're doing things like reviewing those survey results and looking for.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): feedback and having a discussion.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): we're also asking for specific feedback on those renewal strategies that we've been discussing and then we're just providing another opportunity.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): To ask questions of the task force and holly I see your question in the chat just curious is this info Sunni confidential.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Shannon could you speak to that.
Shannon Pritting: Nothing i've heard is Sunni confidential.
Shannon Pritting: I don't think there's anything that we're going to share that's.
Shannon Pritting: Not not public knowledge.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So I think we've we've done a few of the sector director meetings already and we have a few more planned over this, the rest of this month.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): And finally, I just wanted to share parts of our communication plan we have a drafted communication plan that was in more detail.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): How we plan to communicate with the stakeholders, but we also have a live guide where we're sharing minutes from our meetings, as well as other documents such as the survey results are linked from that lead, guide.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): I will think Susan if you don't mind, could you share the live guide link again in the chat Thank you.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): We have at least one more Community update plan for this fall and then we will be drafting a written report following the completion of the task force work so.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Keep an eye out for that.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay, so that is all that we have, as far as updates both the next portion is where we ask you some questions and we're going to use a tool called mentee mentor meter to facilitate that but before I move on does anyone have any questions.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay.
MoH (Downstate): is working.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): yeah.
MoH (Downstate): When do you have to make a final decision about your renewing or not renewing with PepsiCo.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So we'd like to have our strategy like we'd like to have an idea of how the campuses want to move forward by the end of this calendar year.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay, at which point we can start approaching us go and if that's how we go or we can start the.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Procurement processes, if we want to do, open bidding or, however, we want to handle that and then over the spring, we would be doing the negotiation and wrapping up the renewal in time for the renewal, however, it looks in time for a July one start date.
MoH (Downstate): Okay, thank you.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Any other questions.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay, so we can move on and I am going to stop my screen share for just a minute and pull up this presentation.
Okay.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Alright, so I see me make sure that i'm sharing my screen.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay, so everyone should start seeing we've listed the first question on the mentee asking is your campus interested in changing which databases are included in the package, removing adding upgrading.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So i'm seeing a few answers would depend.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): on pricing and subject matter, would like to swap out smaller, less use databases.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): consider adding full text journal databases.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Especially multi disciplinary ones.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Do you have just the person this person have some specific ones in mind i'm curious.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): And also feel free if you're not comfortable using mentee to.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): unmute yourself or use the chat and zoom.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Or do you see a comment you want to respond to feel free to.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Would wander about the ultimate databases.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Consensus seems to be.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): see some folks have mentioned collections, we have a question about that coming up.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Next.
MoH (Downstate): So I have a question.
MoH (Downstate): Do I just click on the selection is I clicked and nothing happened.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Did you go to this website and then enter the code.
MoH (Downstate): Or if the okay i'm sorry.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): i'll just go ahead and address the psych articles question, this is one we are also interested in adding.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): The difficulty with psych articles and a lot of third party databases that both pro quest and eps go sell that they aren't on state contract and they aren't on state contract generally because.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): The publisher is unwilling to either provide the pricing or to make it public, which state contracts acquires.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Does anyone else have any comment any more comments of mo I see your hand is raised again.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah once you raise your hand, you have to also.
MoH (Downstate): i'm sorry.
Susan Davis Bartl: take it off yeah pull it down yeah.
Susan Davis Bartl: Everything else goes away but not that one.
Jen Parker: I had, I noticed a few people asked about the ultimate databases is that you said you're a we did all have that temporarily during a part of covert it, are you able to do any analysis on that you see if it's worse.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): yeah we do so, we have usage data.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): For all of Sunni for all of your Apps go products, so we could we could definitely look at.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): The ultimate usage during code since do subscribe to it additionally.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So that's definitely something we can look at.
Jen Parker: It didn't look like it was used much at our campus but you know everybody's mileage might vary.
Jen Parker: Thanks.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay, well, thank you for this feedback, especially the specifics specific database names.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): i'm going to move on to the next question.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): figure that out.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay, so the next question is is your campus interested in adding a streaming video package What challenges or opportunities do you foresee what information, would you need to make a decision about.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): And this is something we discussed in previous previous posts, and when we shared information about our task force, but we are limited in scope by products that are on state contract.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): And currently the only major video package streaming video package on state contract is is Avon academic video online from.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So there are a number of campuses that are already subscribing to one streaming video package or another.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): We have definitely heard that feedback we know that and at least 20 or 30 are subscribing to Yvonne.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): we've heard the feedback to that you know something more all the cart like films on demand or swank would be preferable to some campuses and we wish we could accommodate that right now, through this process, unfortunately we can't with the state contract limitations.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So it sounds like price has been.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): prohibitive to some campuses were interested in streaming video.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Specialized content.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Depending on price and content.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Someone mentioned Hello.
Hello.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah I think it was on the right hand side there.
Susan Davis Bartl: But maybe the third is.
yeah.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Are there other subject areas so there's health them.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Are there other subject areas that folks are interested in for streaming video.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): renee I see your question in the chat.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Could you clarify.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): What it is you're looking for.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): High shirt up so did I understand you write that there is a contract for with Sunni connect with for.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): An Avon.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): For a vm streaming.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): And so Avon is on the New York state contract.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): So Kim oh okay.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): i'm not this group particularly it's correct thought to confuse matters further it's it was also part of that invitation for bids that we conducted in the spring.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): OK.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): I can.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): So okay so it's not going to be in the live guide and i'm just looking for some content information but.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): I can reach out to you later about that.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay yeah I.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Am ELENA Molina thanks for your comments.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): it's a really, really great point that Sunni connect is by nature and broad general.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): package sort of serving that.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): level of needs, in many cases.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): i'm just curious about this comment bandwidth consideration needs to be discussed with it i'm curious if someone wants to expand on that.
Violet Price: So this is violet from downstate um I guess the question the curiosity is about.
Violet Price: How much bandwidth you know for the videos for the particular streaming videos would you know, be taking up space and we campuses have to include their it departments.
Violet Price: Of in that discussion, depending upon you know what the bandwidth size is and setting that up as I know, for our campus, we have to alert it of course everything that's coming through.
In just in terms of that.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): that's a really interesting question violet.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Could other campuses who are subscribing to streaming media speak to that.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): I can make one comment, this is renee from Cuba Community college, we did not run it by our it department it honestly didn't even occur to me when we subscribe to canopy.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): But we have not had any complaints I mean a lot of the streaming is happening now from professors who are teaching from home.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): And or students are watching films on their own time so.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): it's.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): A lot of it's happening off campus.
Renee Schmidt CCC (she/her): So I don't know if that helps but um we have not had an issue, so far, I guess.
Good.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Are there any other comments or any anything folks want to bring up on this question.
Susan Davis Bartl: See Collins question about outside of Sunni connects swank or canopy.
Susan Davis Bartl: Where their issues that were they invited to participate in the invitation provided.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): um Yes, they well I don't know about swank but I know that films on demand was included on the ISP.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Canada, I may not have.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah I was thinking that they weren't necessarily eager to.
Susan Davis Bartl: participate in them.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): yeah we've you've reached out to a few of the streaming vendors and not and had initial conversations, but not gotten very far.
Jen Parker: clinker a be still a day kind of purchase like it was when we had the full canopy or would you be able to get a whole collection.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): That was our other thought that it would be logistically managing some sort of aba dga it's it's.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): A whole different ball game than managing a subscription package on a consortium level.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): But I was curious colleen that if your question was about a package, a subscription package, or if you were thinking more about.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): or were you just generally asking about working with those vendors on a commercial level.
Colleen Lougen: i'm just generally asking because i've heard you know from our campus and from others that you know they'd be interested in some sort of agreement.
Colleen Lougen: With swank or canopy I guess it would be by collection or no swagger can't be provided collections, though.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Answering question.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): It really depends I.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): From the conversations that Shannon and I have had with the vendors they themselves.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): aren't thinking consortia Lee on a title by title basis they don't.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): They don't have pricing models, you know it's it's an extra layer of work for them to have to go back to the distributors and negotiate you know per distributor for an entire consortia, which was the sort of issue, we ran into with the ebook DDA pilot.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Jane thanks for your comment about.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): sort of the longevity of the content and subscription packages that's really some really great point.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay i'm going to go ahead on to the next question which.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): is going to look very similar.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): it's the same type of question but it were asking about subscription ebook packages, instead of.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): I don't know the number exact number but i'd say probably 40 ish campuses are subscribing to either pro quests.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Academic complete or eps goes.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): I don't know what their product name is but similar giant academic ebook package.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): content is is that has that been an issue for those of you who are currently subscribing to any book package.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): carrie can you.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): expand on your comment in the chat.
Keri: um it was basically we had a couple offers for.
Keri: I believe it may have been offered but i'm not entirely sure that majority of the content was backless, not even the current edition that they had.
Keri: available for us to purchase as an e book or purchase individually.
Keri: In like I said in print or ebook so we did not go with their package because it was it was backlist versions of their titles.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): i'm curious For those of you currently subscribing.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Have you had any.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Challenges i'm thinking specifically about faculty using a textbook and then the book being removed from the package or similar.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): subscription versus perpetual access.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): If the person or anyone else wants to speak to that.
Caryl Ward: hi it's Carol from binghamton we have some we have the to.
Caryl Ward: The pro plus package and the Expo package and we also have those are the subscription models titles come and go, and we also buy packages with perpetual access, like the Oxford scholarship online and Duke and we've bought some Springer packages this past year, the.
Caryl Ward: The subscription packages have a they have a wide appeal, they have a lot of titles and areas that we might not necessarily select individually, so those Those are some of the pros and cons.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Thanks Carol.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): i'm renee to speak to your comment about the DDA model.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): yeah I think we have to do quite a bit of work scoping down what you know subject areas or call numbers or publishers.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): We wouldn't focus on for that there was the nursing DDA pilot, which is ongoing until the funds are expended and then there was also a sort of a more general pilot with some of the university centers and comprehensive.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): And they.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): had to scope.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): To a specific set of call numbers and, of course, we were limited by publishers as well.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): So.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Probably realistically that isn't.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): possible for this renewal, I think, longer term if that's something.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Everyone is interested in, you know it's it's something to keep in mind for sure.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): We had a lot of challenges to setting up.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): access through pro quest and part of part of that was a hiccup on our end and part of it was a hiccup on just pro quest working out the.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): How to manage their consortia and consortia will DDA in Alma within Alma in the book central.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Okay, this is some really excellent.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): Specific feedback, so thank you so much for your thoughtful responses to these questions.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): i'm going to stop sharing and.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): That is that's my last prepared slide.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): thing now we just have time for open questions and discussion.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): which I Susan Davis has offered to facilitate so i'm turning it over to you Susan.
Susan Davis Bartl: Thank you, so thank you to everybody that has already has had questions.
Susan Davis Bartl: But here's an open opportunity to to ask additional questions or try to elicit more information, such as we know it now.
Susan Davis Bartl: So um if.
Susan Davis Bartl: I don't know if I would be able to see everybody if you raised, your hand.
Susan Davis Bartl: or just unmute yourself and pop.
Susan Davis Bartl: pop on.
Susan Davis Bartl: And an answer to many people's burning question I graduated from geneseo I work at ub.
Susan Davis Bartl: So i'm Sunni through and through.
Alana Nuth (Geneseo: So.
I guess.
Alana Nuth (Geneseo: Sorry, this is only an hour from geneseo um as I was listening to this, and this was really helpful Thank you i'm wondering if.
Alana Nuth (Geneseo: I worried that we're going to try to do too much like we're going to try to make Sunni connects into all these different.
Alana Nuth (Geneseo: we're going to try to maintain eps going and we're going to try to add streaming video and we're going to try to maybe an e book collection and I worry that it's going to become really difficult for.
Alana Nuth (Geneseo: To maintain a package that works for the majority of campuses and then it's manageable for us moving forward.
Alana Nuth (Geneseo: I want us to use this as an opportunity to do something kind of exciting that that you know that it will be successful, but I also worry that we're going to like.
Alana Nuth (Geneseo: Frankenstein a bunch of things together, and then it just be really just difficult and maybe i'm being too pessimistic, but that was just a comment I wanted to share.
Susan Davis Bartl: Great thanks thanks Alina It appears that you know more about procurement been.
Susan Davis Bartl: A lot of other people Shannon looks like he's ready to send a give us a response.
Shannon Pritting: unless someone else wants to, but I think Lena you're bringing up the the crucial essential question is that.
Shannon Pritting: we're a very diverse group of institutions and finding something that we can all agree on with content is is really, really difficult, so you know I.
Shannon Pritting: I, I think it would be successful if we made minor modifications and not any sort of sweeping changes so things like swing or films on demand we can't do that from a procurement reason, but we also can't do it because I don't think we could ever agree upon it.
Shannon Pritting: And what I would say on this is is how I think I approach this and I know there's a lot of other things involved.
Shannon Pritting: Is that we know how many of you are already going off and subscribing on your own, and as we look at suny connect I think there's this long history that not everyone is happy with every single piece of it, but by going in as a single.
Shannon Pritting: All Sunni that we can expand access to institutions who can't afford it, so you know we're going to use like streaming video.
Shannon Pritting: we've already had offers that for not very much more we can go from 40 to 60.
Shannon Pritting: And what we will do is to say, like here are the repercussions and then, if you know we don't want to come up with just this little bit more.
Shannon Pritting: To get it, for you know another 10 Community colleges, you might want it, but just they cut it for years ago because of really drastic budget cuts.
Shannon Pritting: We won't do it, but you know 100% I think like the more you teased off of the Center.
Shannon Pritting: The harder and harder it gets, but I just wanted to say, like there are a lot of opportunities, where there is a massive amount of spending for two thirds three quarters of Sunni that if we can just bring it together.
Shannon Pritting: We can do I think some some good things in that area, but you know if it doesn't make sense, we obviously won't do it.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): I just want to add that.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): One of the things the task force was really blown away by was like how how much everyone in the survey seem to agree that Sunni connect as is is actually working pretty well for most of us.
Esta Tovstiadi (they/them): It is definitely an area where we have come together and made a decision and it's and it's working so I just want to speak to that and I think you're absolutely right, we do have to be very careful that it doesn't become something unmanageable that that doesn't serve all of the campuses.
Susan Davis Bartl: You know that's that's the brass tacks aspects, so to speak, we have wonderful ideas lots of things we'd like to do, but the reality is either.
Susan Davis Bartl: We don't have enough time because of procurement process there isn't enough money and there isn't enough human power to make some of those those things, I mean happen in the time frame that we would.
Susan Davis Bartl: That we would need, and I see that again holly is asking if we can try again on sake articles again this is controlled by the American psychological association, that is where the buck stops and I don't know how willing.
Susan Davis Bartl: You know they're going to be to listen to this, I mean they.
Susan Davis Bartl: They make their content available on many different platforms so again how they negotiate with upscale for the price that Apps go opposite how they negotiate with.
Susan Davis Bartl: Pro quest I don't know if they give the same price to all of those all of those vendors, but right now for us the Waldo pricing on PepsiCo is the best that that we could we could get but again it's something we can always just have as a to do every year just keep asking.
Susan Davis Bartl: Right.
Shannon Pritting: yeah so I mean we actually well as soon as these if the contracts are approved, we will have a system wide agreement for like articles and some other things, but.
Shannon Pritting: We also know that you shouldn't.
Shannon Pritting: use that if you're getting a better deal through Waldo but only some of you get a better deal through Waldo because if, when you subscribe, so I mean something like that just.
Shannon Pritting: And that's kind of what I was getting at ELENA is some of these it just becomes way too complicated to make something all in work and we're that's what this task force is going to do is run through those scenarios and those details, where I think I can safely say.
Shannon Pritting: it's like articles, I doubt we're going to be able to do anything that all of you are happy with beyond what we've already done, because of just long standing consortium relationships and agreements that are probably contractually based that we can't do anything about.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah.
Susan Davis Bartl: And the APA they've had different.
Susan Davis Bartl: Management over the past like five or so years and the way they go about doing their business seems like it's it changed and it changed back so.
Susan Davis Bartl: That you're also at the mercy, you know, again, of how the society or the the owner of the content.
Susan Davis Bartl: You know, decides to work with libraries or not.
Susan Davis Bartl: anyone else speak up.
Oh.
Susan Davis Bartl: someone's asking about the diversity collection that upscale is promoting Jen.
Jen Parker: Parker i'll try to find i'll find the link for it it's a really new collection that.
Jen Parker: We slept for something we got rid of in our last Waldo.
Susan Davis Bartl: Put in it yeah yeah.
Susan Davis Bartl: Because right, I mean i'm sure two weeks.
Susan Davis Bartl: we've had something about that we haven't really taken it up there you go there's a link um.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah and I think that's part of one of the things we were thinking about in the in the survey, you know, because you to you go into a negotiation, you have a set of things you're interested in, and then you hear from the other side, what what they'd like to offer you and you know there's.
Susan Davis Bartl: upscale always seems to come from a position of adding sweeteners, to make it so that it's a deal you can't walk away from.
Susan Davis Bartl: or let's put it this way, it would be, it would seemingly not be in your best interest to walk away, obviously, if you don't have the money, you can walk away from anything.
Stephanie P Hess: I thank you, everyone for your comments and I see Sarah.
Stephanie P Hess: posted a comment from binghamton we did research into it and go forward, there was a lot of away sources and some questionable publishers publishers in there.
Stephanie P Hess: In our opinion, and I have to say that, when we were looking at.
Stephanie P Hess: Our usage and looking at some of the collections and we did notice that there was a lot of away content in there and not not necessarily that that's a bad thing.
Stephanie P Hess: But that was also we were also having issues with the discover ability, they were not you know Primo V was having a problem with some of the always stuff.
Stephanie P Hess: um you know, so what good is additional sweeteners, you know, like that, if you can't actually access it or it's costing your staff more time and effort to try and fix stuff so.
Stephanie P Hess: This.
Jen Parker: was more than a diversity related collection whoever it is might be something that a lot of campuses to juice, with the current focus.
Stephanie P Hess: that's true but i'm talking more in general terms like green file, for example, there is only what 1820 titles most of its own way or public domain that kind of thing so when we looked at the always stuff.
Stephanie P Hess: yeah always great, but we want our users to use what we pay for two if they can just go do a random search is that really.
Stephanie P Hess: ex-co giving us something.
Stephanie P Hess: You know not not really.
Stephanie P Hess: I think what else.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah.
Susan Davis Bartl: I mean I, I would say to that was one of the things I thought about with the the ultimate discussion is again looking at the additional titles and what is the.
Susan Davis Bartl: makeup of girls, of course, then you would have the do a champion saying well, but there is a lot of quality and quality that you may have paid for in a different way.
Susan Davis Bartl: So why not expose your users to that so we could get into that you know philosophical discussion, but you're right the functionality in Primo vee isn't always what we'd like it to be with Oh, a and some of the upscale stuff.
Shannon Pritting: It was a great point you're making the gen of you know, looking at potentially you know I think this is what you're saying is to present some strategic options that we would want.
Shannon Pritting: to present to us if we were say to swap out or something like that, and I think one of the things that this task force did is we met with suny system administration to look at general trends in.
Shannon Pritting: enrollment and then we also reviewed What general education requirements were where they were evolving, just as the previous iterations of this group pad and and.
Shannon Pritting: focus on D is definitely something that we are that we saw and and heard about coming up in in general, because I think they long term goal of.
Shannon Pritting: Sunni connect is something that works for all Sunni across most of our you know programs that are at almost every institution like business and then also to support general education.
Shannon Pritting: So definitely something we would look at good point I think looking strategically at something like you know, is there a gender studies or other database that we could ask the swap in for X go that's worth a try for sure.
Shannon Pritting: As long as it's good enough right as far as the content.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah i'm trying to remember, I believe, pro quest is coming out with some kind of dei people collection do that you know whether again that can use be used as leverage or that's something else to pursue on another another timeline.
Stephanie P Hess: What I was going to say also that, because so many publishers vendors are offering these kinds of packages now.
Stephanie P Hess: It might not be the best to like Russian to committing to like oh Apps go has this like like you said Susan there are all kinds of other things coming down the pipeline, so I.
Stephanie P Hess: Actually really extremely grateful for Shannon ESTA coming on board with us last because you know you can end the whole crew, you know there's much more support there for looking into these deep dive analysis and you know as much as.
Stephanie P Hess: You know john Schumacher did a great job and marine does a great job it's just so much work, for you know company to three people so.
Stephanie P Hess: I think this is a really great advantage for us as as a system to have you know Shannon and ESTA Maggie and Michelle and Yvonne and everybody, you know dedicated to.
Stephanie P Hess: Making this work at a network level.
Stephanie P Hess: And so, in terms of the communication plan, I know that you know we went over it before, but I think that we would also want to welcome you know comments I guess ESTA and Shannon you you're fielding most of the comments correctly correct at this point, direct questions.
Shannon Pritting: Well, I think what this is my my perspective, so you know we can certainly have a discussion about it, but where I see the best communication and meaningful engagement happening is through the sectors.
Shannon Pritting: That seems to be the preference of at least 45 to maybe 55 campuses right for almost everyone.
Shannon Pritting: And that seems to be working well with this task force that.
Shannon Pritting: The different representatives from the different sectors are working to engage with those sectors, because.
Shannon Pritting: First, seem to have some general consensus just in a sector before you try to like bring it and have some consensus to.
Shannon Pritting: All of Sunni and that's usually what I say to sector representatives, I was like that's a good idea, but can you even get close to consensus in your own sector before we try to like.
Shannon Pritting: Roll this out system wide, so I would heavily encourage communication within your sectors, while you know and bring that forth.
Shannon Pritting: Susan you're you're doing the university centers right stephanie.
Stephanie P Hess: stephanie since everybody know who their sector REPS are.
Stephanie P Hess: I think colleen is here.
Shannon Pritting: colleen and Scott from the comprehensive.
Shannon Pritting: Catherine for the tech sector.
Shannon Pritting: And then we have Dana I think I saw you Dana right.
Susan Davis Bartl: colleges.
Shannon Pritting: For the Community colleges and and also Andy highs and ran and Ryan grimmer because we.
Shannon Pritting: You know, wanted to get a good cross section of size and Community colleges there too.
Stephanie P Hess: it's not posted on the guide yet though right, I mean it has the first step, but.
Susan Davis Bartl: I don't know if was in any notes, because we have some notes, but.
Stephanie P Hess: Maybe we'll have to be summer, just to clarify who's who is this.
Shannon Pritting: In the last but not least, Ruth ellen's at ucsf for the doctoral not university centers.
Stephanie P Hess: Thank you.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah I will also going to add, you know that there is um was it Sunni share collections committee.
Susan Davis Bartl: Which again they they have a different role i'm not involved directly with that, so you know that that may be an avenue for some of these outside of Sunni connect i'm interest is that would that be appropriate to say.
Susan Davis Bartl: I said it, but is that correct.
Shannon Pritting: Yes, absolutely TIM is TIM on this call TIM arnel.
Tim Arnold, JCC - Director of Libraries: I am.
Tim Arnold, JCC - Director of Libraries: Yes, i'm awesome yeah.
Shannon Pritting: I hate to call you out yeah but TIM is the chair and I just wanted to you know explain roles here, so you can always reach out to myself or ESTA.
Shannon Pritting: And we're happy to kind of guide you but we may bring in someone else, because we really appreciate why'd you know wider advisement from from these different groups and that's why we're suggesting.
Shannon Pritting: You know, go through the different Task Force members start with your sector and then your sector Members can bring it into this larger Task Force and that really allows us to get like a richness of voices, I think.
Susan Davis Bartl: anyone else, that is, is now appreciate more people who host these meetings when you have multiple screens of participants mo.
MoH (Downstate): Are you sharing, can you remind me who is our sector, this is embarrassing I don't know.
Shannon Pritting: um, so I would, I think you're the I know you fluctuate from sectors right, so I would consider you in the doctoral sector.
Shannon Pritting: So I would say Ruth owens would be or would be a REP.
MoH (Downstate): Okay, thank you.
Shannon Pritting: And this is just for the Sunni connect Task Force on the.
Shannon Pritting: The Sunni shared collections committee matt Smith from the SF represents.
Shannon Pritting: That sector.
Shannon Pritting: And I think he's on the call to.
Shannon Pritting: Thanks for sending out your email.
Susan Davis Bartl: that's right, you need a scorecard to keep track of all these these groups.
Shannon Pritting: And again don't stress out i'm not saying don't connect so we can always put you in contact with someone because we know who everyone is but.
Shannon Pritting: You know if you know who who these people are reach out to them, because you know it leads to a much richer discussion when we're having these analyses, etc.
Susan Davis Bartl: And I just noticed holly's posting in the chat I thought she was referencing something like the scorecard you need a menu, but I suspect it's it's auto correct spelling about listing things in the lip guide, which we don't have the sector REPS.
Susan Davis Bartl: listed in there, I think yeah we did note stephanie notice notice them oh OK notice that we need that but yes.
Susan Davis Bartl: that's very good holly I appreciate.
Susan Davis Bartl: Your humor I understand.
Susan Davis Bartl: yeah what are, what are your salad dressing choices here's a here's a list and no none of them are gluten free i'm sorry yes.
Susan Davis Bartl: Anything else any other last points, I think.
Susan Davis Bartl: As the went over a little bit of the time table so again, we were for the rest of this calendar year we're still going to be gathering information and trying to come up with something again that we present a little later with our plan and that we go out to the vendors.
Susan Davis Bartl: To see what they have to say and what kind of pricing they'd like to offer us.
Susan Davis Bartl: So I have at least that that correct to because all the sudden it's raining and it's dark and I don't know.
Susan Davis Bartl: What day of the week, it is anymore so.
Stephanie P Hess: You can Susan Thank you.
Stephanie P Hess: Are there any other questions.
Stephanie P Hess: And Shannon I believe you you'll be posting the recording on workspace workplace correct yes for the attendees.
Stephanie P Hess: Thank you so much, and thank you so much for your presentation.