Michelle Eichelberger: Great.
Michelle Eichelberger: Welcome everyone, and thank you for joining us today for this DEMO of how lta is being used in.
Michelle Eichelberger: Current systems across Sunni can food ut and Laura Harris will be presenting today.
Michelle Eichelberger: So when I asked them for information about themselves Ken said that he's always looking to integrate emerging technology into the academic environment and creative in practical ways he's the emerging technology librarian.
Michelle Eichelberger: In the eh Butler library at suny buffalo state Kendall it's a master's in library science from ub and his research interests include information literacy, the metaverse social media and other emerging technologies.
Michelle Eichelberger: And he manages the library website to customize live guide cms and uses the blackboard lta to integrate live guides content into courses.
Michelle Eichelberger: And Laura Harris is the distance and open education library, and as soon as we go and i'm going to turn it over to Ken who's going to go first, so thank you so much to both of you for being willing to present today.
Ken Fujiuchi: Thank you um I guess i'll start by sharing my screen real quick just to jump into my instance of blackboard.
Ken Fujiuchi: Second.
Ken Fujiuchi: just want to make sure everybody can see.
Okay.
Ken Fujiuchi: And I guess I first wanted to just start with the definition of lci, just in case, people are really new to the concept of LTE I.
Ken Fujiuchi: The.
Ken Fujiuchi: lt is basically stands for learning tools interrupt interoperability.
Ken Fujiuchi: And it's basically a standard that lets us.
Ken Fujiuchi: kind of plug in or ad extensions to our learning management system.
Ken Fujiuchi: I want to say that this is not specifically just for the scripture products that will be demoing here today, but I do believe, like textbooks homework or course where type things that have additional.
Ken Fujiuchi: sort of plugins from the textbook itself sometimes you get a code when you buy the textbook and it lets you access some of the textbook specific software.
Ken Fujiuchi: That integrates into blackboard sometimes that uses lci and usually needs at least a setup through blackboard admin that can add the basic settings that are required in the instructions to set up the LTE connection the first place, but one nice nice thing that.
Ken Fujiuchi: lta does, though, is usually, when you set up the LTE connection it's it's usually a set once and you forget that it's even there because I believe i've set my lci or i've had someone from our blackboard team.
Ken Fujiuchi: Basically, submit a request to set up the lta.
Ken Fujiuchi: i'd say almost eight years ago, or maybe maybe not that long, maybe, five years ago, but in general, once we set it up um any type of lci integration that we had through spring share.
Ken Fujiuchi: Was automatically set up to work with our blackboard instance.
Ken Fujiuchi: And that note I don't know if Laura wants to jump in to add anything to that the setup process, but I think in both cases we both did need to go through.
Ken Fujiuchi: Someone a contact on campus because we usually don't have access or admin access to our blackboard instance, but that was the only time we needed to go outside of the library, to request.
Ken Fujiuchi: That the LTE connection be set up in the blackboard and I actually think the the person who has to do it is through Sunni, possibly through Sunni central somewhere or whoever's whoever manages the blackboard because I think that my contact on campus also needed to.
Ken Fujiuchi: Put the request forward to someone in suiting.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): i'm fairly certain that was our experience as well, it was I think not quite five years ago, is probably early 2017 for us, so my memory is a bit fuzzy but.
Ken Fujiuchi: Okay um and today Laura and I are going to show you two different ways of using.
Ken Fujiuchi: The lci integration with blackboard i'm going to start things off by showing you how to use the lci tool I think it's called the this this one's and it doesn't have a fancy name to it, but this is the just the manual way of integrating lci content into blackboard using live guide cms.
Ken Fujiuchi: Mainly What that means is that.
Ken Fujiuchi: Although there are ways to automate things we've decided not to implement.
Ken Fujiuchi: The automated version of lta.
Ken Fujiuchi: mainly because it's an issue with some of the data that the blackboard integrates through.
Ken Fujiuchi: Basically, the the data that comes over from banner is sometimes a little messy on our campus and it has a lot to do with the way they named our courses in blackboard and things like that so.
Ken Fujiuchi: A lot of the automated functions rely heavily on a search function, and if you don't have a consistent sort of naming scheme.
Ken Fujiuchi: It it oftentimes either just fails over to like a default sort of content or sometimes even just doesn't doesn't show anything.
Ken Fujiuchi: And it's nice to automate things, but at this point in time.
Ken Fujiuchi: We decided to just stick with the manual process, a lot of that was basically and pardon me i'm happy to move all the zoom people out of my way you probably don't see it, but we already had this huge library tab.
Ken Fujiuchi: That was sort of integrated I know it's nothing fancy, but it was a tab that kind of just had quick links to library content, at least the main library content.
Ken Fujiuchi: And a little bit of a blurb, for you know quick ways to contact people, and so, for us, we wanted to focus mainly on creating custom content for courses using the lci tool.
Ken Fujiuchi: i'm just going to walk you through, but I am jumping into the edge but lettering test course just to show you an example of how this works.
Ken Fujiuchi: Before I jumped in, I just wanted to show you this is kind of what I was talking about about our naming scheme, you could see in one case, there was an internal library course that starts off with 2017 10 dash live 100 and others are 17 SP you know for spring semester, and then the title.
Ken Fujiuchi: Basically, we have a lot of inconsistency is on how they.
Ken Fujiuchi: Bring over the data from different years and different instances of the course registration system or banner, I guess, in this case.
Ken Fujiuchi: i'm just dropping into the library test course so you can kind of see i'm guessing this is pretty similar to how everybody else sees courses.
Ken Fujiuchi: In our case, when you use the manual tool for lta with spring share what happens is that lta just basically becomes a part of the content options in this case.
Ken Fujiuchi: Most people faculty can go in build content at images and audio but you'll notice that there's also this tools section when you add content.
Ken Fujiuchi: And this is kind of what I meant earlier in our instance here is our lip guides listing, this is the one part, that you do have to go out and have someone from blackboard.
Ken Fujiuchi: One of the blackboard administrators, to set up the LTE connection because that's what basically adds this sort of link option into blackboard.
Ken Fujiuchi: And you can also see this is mcgraw hill Barnes and noble bookstore there's a bunch of other types of lci connections that are being made actually actually I should say that not all these are necessarily lci connections, but they are sort of the way.
Ken Fujiuchi: blackboard adds in plugins for your blackboard instance.
Ken Fujiuchi: Before I jumped in, I just wanted to give you a couple of examples of what it looks like when you when someone uses an lta content.
Ken Fujiuchi: This was a while back, but this was actually just a request from a faculty who just wanted a simple way to get to art store from their course and so I created a very basic lip guides.
Ken Fujiuchi: For anyone who's familiar with lip guides, this is just a sitemap really basic live guide doesn't have a lot of content, but I created sort of a basic portal.
Ken Fujiuchi: So that their students who just wanted to focus on art store could have this as part of their content, the teacher, I think, put it into one of their folders that was able, like week three or something like that, when he introduced art store to the students and part of this was because.
Ken Fujiuchi: With art store there was additional things that you can do when you register for a user account along with just you know going through the proxy and connecting to art store So this was just a way to kind of create a custom.
Ken Fujiuchi: Art store quote portal within blackboard that students could use to access and there were other things like system requirements and things like that, and in the end, this is just.
Ken Fujiuchi: From the live guide side all you're doing is creating one really simple content box and then having the sitemap to have different sections on your lip guides and basically it's just specific instructions for art store and the way the that the Faculty requested.
Ken Fujiuchi: Others can be.
Ken Fujiuchi: content from your homepage so in this case, this is the research help page and basically it's just a link to contacts and things like that, just as an example, and let me know if people can't see this tab, but I should be sharing the whole screen, this is our health research help section.
Ken Fujiuchi: And so, people can use.
Ken Fujiuchi: Content straight from your existing live library web web page or homepage in this case and just integrated as part of the course content.
Ken Fujiuchi: You might notice that this is a good example of when the blackboard styles take over, in some cases.
Ken Fujiuchi: Because you'll notice that some of the styles that I have and icons that I have lived guides don't come over actually we learned, I talked about this earlier, and she showed me a trick where there's a quick switch.
Ken Fujiuchi: That allows you to actually copy over the style so i'm going to try to implement that.
Ken Fujiuchi: but be careful, I just I didn't notice that, as I was trying to play around with it right before this and I decided not to.
Ken Fujiuchi: It is part of the settings that you initially set with your in collaboration with the blackboard admin and, for me it gave me a warning before I saved it, saying that if you do something like this it could break the connection, so I decided not to do that right before the presentation.
Ken Fujiuchi: But that is, that is something that.
Ken Fujiuchi: Does move over it's just an option that i've I have not had a chance to set up.
Ken Fujiuchi: Go back again that's an example of just taking raw giving faculty the option to import content that is from a pre existing web page.
Ken Fujiuchi: here's another one, this is an example of a separate research guide and, in this case, they were able to.
Ken Fujiuchi: integrate the whole the guide and just added as part of the content of blackboard.
Ken Fujiuchi: And then, most recently.
Ken Fujiuchi: Some others, this was a black lives matter.
Ken Fujiuchi: Oh sorry this was the DEMO well, I guess, I can show you.
Ken Fujiuchi: This is what it looks like when you try to add the content in lci content into your blackboard content section, so what happens is you create go to tools.
Ken Fujiuchi: Live guides what that does is it creates this.
Ken Fujiuchi: It throws you into the usual blackboard anyone who's used blackboard usually, this is what happens, you get the title description i'm not going to fill in all the all the details.
Ken Fujiuchi: But I got to move some windows over.
Ken Fujiuchi: hit submit.
Ken Fujiuchi: And what that will do.
Ken Fujiuchi: Is that it creates sort of the content item there's the DEMO that I just did, and then you have to go in a second time.
Ken Fujiuchi: To start the lci setup process in this case I can't think of anyone who's going to have more than one live guide site so usually This is just set to the one ah, but library, and I believe this is set by default, based on the.
Ken Fujiuchi: The lta settings that the blackboard admin sets up for you in the first place.
Ken Fujiuchi: But the second drop down allows you to sort of pick and choose whether you want to do a full live guide a single page content box, if you do a full of guide basically it's just going to give you a second drop down and allows you to pick.
Ken Fujiuchi: Whichever live guide that you want to integrate fully.
Ken Fujiuchi: So you can do in bed content.
Ken Fujiuchi: Oh, oh.
Ken Fujiuchi: What should happen is usually after you set it up there.
Ken Fujiuchi: must have been a fluke.
Ken Fujiuchi: It should give you access to.
Ken Fujiuchi: The full live guys and I just noticed.
Ken Fujiuchi: So this is a blank page I just noticed and this might be, so this is one of the few.
Ken Fujiuchi: I was going to bring this up later, but one of the.
Ken Fujiuchi: cons about the manual is that sometimes content is a little funky until you.
Ken Fujiuchi: And this what's new page That was the garden, it seems like it doesn't work with the lt I tool.
Ken Fujiuchi: But aside from that the regular content should appear, and you can see.
Ken Fujiuchi: All the different sections.
Ken Fujiuchi: and discussions about race.
Ken Fujiuchi: And so, these are all of the.
Ken Fujiuchi: The content pages from my initial lip guides, this is what it actually looks like on the live page, this is that blog page that I was talking about.
Ken Fujiuchi: And you'll notice that, when we set up this introduction to the or the black lives matter slip guides.
Ken Fujiuchi: We started to create sort of these different sections that are basically booklets that are from our collection.
Ken Fujiuchi: with different topics and these topics or or booklets that we created right based on sort of requests from our different faculty from different courses and so just going back to the DEMO.
Ken Fujiuchi: and going back to the black lives matter DEMO that I was initially clicked on the idea was, although we have the black lives matter live guide in full on our from our list of subject guides.
Ken Fujiuchi: What we decided to do was give the Faculty some options and, in this case, it was either a single page or content box Those are the two that the people using your black lives matters.
Ken Fujiuchi: Guy focused on i'll show you what it does, when you pick single page, this is where you would pick you can even search for black lives matter.
Ken Fujiuchi: And then you the final step it adds an additional step.
Ken Fujiuchi: You can embed just the content for a specific page again I don't know why this might be because i've been practicing too many times earlier today.
Ken Fujiuchi: Because it usually should just go to the content, but this is kind of what it looks like.
Ken Fujiuchi: And you can see, within blackboard, this is the black or the book list for this particular top topic and policing and incarceration I believe this was a request to some of our criminal justice.
Ken Fujiuchi: Courses or faculty that were teaching courses and they wanted a quick way to have this incorporated into their courses that they were teaching.
Ken Fujiuchi: Just some more examples of other Librarians who have set up similar things this was sort of in.
Ken Fujiuchi: civic and Community engagement faculty books and journals.
Ken Fujiuchi: And this was one of the sections that was created for this.
Ken Fujiuchi: And then.
Ken Fujiuchi: Some others were things like this music library databases, one of the nice things is that a lot of the widgets that lip guides allows you to create.
Ken Fujiuchi: If anyone's ever played with them, you can make things like database list or custom subject.
Ken Fujiuchi: database lists using widgets and if you're within lip guides it's easy to just copy in the Code into a live guide page and have this list up here, but it is not always possible to just copy the straight into.
Ken Fujiuchi: blackboard course content, and so one of the things that have been useful for us is just being able to create these lip guides.
Ken Fujiuchi: And this way they can incorporate.
Ken Fujiuchi: The just the music database A to Z within their course as well, again, this is what the.
Ken Fujiuchi: Full the guy looks like.
Ken Fujiuchi: And Actually, this was a case where we decided to use the boxes instead.
Ken Fujiuchi: of specific pages.
Ken Fujiuchi: And one of the reasons why we had to do it this way was even the recommended music databases for this class is actually.
Ken Fujiuchi: vocal pedagogy which incorporates a little bit of anatomy of the throat.
Ken Fujiuchi: As part of their curriculum or.
Ken Fujiuchi: And so, instead of just a standard music databases, we had to incorporate a little bit of music and a little bit of our anatomy TV 3D images, because they use the the diagrams and videos that are from this database to.
Ken Fujiuchi: Talk about using voice in music.
Ken Fujiuchi: And so that's the crash course before I step away and hand things over to Laura I did want to point out, I just want to give you an example of.
Ken Fujiuchi: This one's not the right one.
Ken Fujiuchi: Oh, here we go.
Ken Fujiuchi: Just a quick example of LTE through another lci integration, this is not necessarily spring share, but this is niche Academy, one of the databases that we subscribe to, and, basically, this is a way to.
Ken Fujiuchi: link to the.
Ken Fujiuchi: Business search premier.
Ken Fujiuchi: Video tutorial.
Ken Fujiuchi: I got a similar idea but it's Nice that you can incorporate a lot of the database content straight into the blackboard.
Ken Fujiuchi: And if laura's ready i'm going to stop my share, and while she's getting ready i'm just gonna try to catch up, I see, there are some chats i'll try to answer.
Ken Fujiuchi: Sorry pardon me if I scroll through.
Ken Fujiuchi: Did you choose to use lip guides or could you have entered what whatever texture.
Ken Fujiuchi: Here oh i'm guessing That was when I was setting up the blackboard content, you can you can set up the title and description.
Ken Fujiuchi: Because in the beginning, when you when you first create the link to the live guide content in the blackboard it when people click on content section it's still going to get listed there.
Ken Fujiuchi: A lot of our live faculty tend to break up the content into folders as well within the weeks, so the idea is that even if it's look at content once you click into it people still do add additional descriptions and wording.
Ken Fujiuchi: When it's listed in the content.
Section.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): and
Michelle Eichelberger: we're having trouble with your audio your kind of garbled.
Ken Fujiuchi: Oh.
Oh.
Ken Fujiuchi: i'm gonna answer this quick question from the akaka I, I believe the delta integration is part of the live guide cms.
Ken Fujiuchi: i'm not sure if it's included in the the just the basic live guides subscription.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Is my audio any better.
Ken Fujiuchi: Yes, definitely better.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Okay, I think it was because I have a bluetooth headset on, but I also had headphones plugged in so it's probably defaulting to the headphones.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): um it is something that is specific to live a cms I know.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): I do remember that from our setup that they had asked me, my colleagues and asked me to explore a cms for that functionality specifically.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So I won't jump in here and.
Ken Fujiuchi: Learn can ask answer just one more question because it was the question about do provide assistance to the Faculty with this.
Ken Fujiuchi: i'll try to remember to bring it up later, but we actually just have we also have live answers, and all we have is just one faq that we use to send instructions to our faculty who requested and we've never had a problem with them.
Ken Fujiuchi: Following those instructions it just basically takes them.
Ken Fujiuchi: Through step by step, the process of the drop down menus because they can easily find the tools at the live guide tools in their content.
Ken Fujiuchi: And they're pretty much used to that because they have like I said they they have other textbook and other content that's often used through that tools magnitude.
Right.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Alright, so i'm.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Like can we have this numerical code ours, luckily is very consistent.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): It begins with a year and then 09 always refers to fall semester, and then these are the sections when one, for example, is an asynchronous online course.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So that makes our lives, a little bit easier, so this is a real life example you know, this is a live course from the Semester that just ended.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And the way it works for us is, we have an every course, we have a link that says library resources and the way we have it set up is that if.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): There is a course guide, which there is in this case, this is a course good I created, it will take you straight to that course guide.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): However, if there is not of course guide it will default to the subject guide um so, for example, I I say there's a bio 320 course that was one of the things I was looking at.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): That would default to our biological sciences research guides since there's not a specific course guide and then for.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Other types of.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): blackboard content, for example, this is my practice course.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): It will default to our general research guide.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And as Ken mentioned, I did set this up, I was actually getting very annoyed.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): When I would go into blackboard and see this doesn't look, you know I spent all this time customize the look and feel of our live guides and it's not showing up in blackboard.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And, as it turned out, it was a very simple setting it's just like go here click that button here good so um and I felt pretty confident with the CSS because I had just spent.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Several weeks coming, so I felt pretty comfortable saying go ahead.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): let's push this live, so this is very easy for the most part, our Librarians don't have to do anything unless they would like to.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Have a core stage show up instead of.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): The subject guide and it's a little.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): I don't know if I would say, confusing it's fairly easy once you know how to do it, but if you don't know how to do it, I don't think it's very obvious so within a guide.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): You would go up here to the little cog and click on guide metadata.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And you click on custom metadata.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And whenever you're linking we always the name is always the same it's always LG underscore context underscore title for us, and then you put in just the course code click public and that does it and it's really that straightforward.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And then just click close and then it will work for that course.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): let's see.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Think.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): that's it, we do have the functionality that Ken has talked about I mean that's just both of us have the ability to do what the others, is doing, we have just chosen different paths.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So we just don't use that option very much here, this is a little bit.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): easier for us to manage and one benefit is that we don't have to be listed as a teaching assistant or an observer or any sort of we don't have to be added to the course.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): In order for the guys to show up so if I had a new faculty Member say you know i'd like you to create a course guide for.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): SP 505 I could go ahead and create that guide put in that Meta data, and it would automatically show up in her blackboard course.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): actually did that, for a faculty Member earlier this semester again for a class at never taught and I showed her all they have to do is click on library resources and she was like.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): that's so cool she was really impressed so that was kind of satisfying I one thing that I think has made a difference for us is that.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): The library resources link over here is visible by default and that's a relatively new development for a while it was hidden.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): We did have a department That said, you know what we want it visible all the time, there was no way for us to do that for just the department, so we said okay let's just do it for all courses which just made my life.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): make me happy so.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Take a look at chat.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): there's any additional questions for me um.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): The piggyback on an earlier question, I do have a whole guide on how to integrate various library resources in blackboard.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So I actually just updated this because it was out of date, I mean you can always just add a link, which is this not use the lci but then I also have.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): instructions for the method that Ken described and where it is in our specific blackboard instance.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): One thing I discovered, just as a caveat.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Is that if you choose an entire guide and the course gets copied to another semester, it does not carry over the lci settings which was very frustrating.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): For me, because I would hear from students in this class and saying you know when I click on this it doesn't work and so i'd have to go in and fix it every Semester, which was.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): kind of a downer, and so what for that, since I was just looking to the whole guide I just used a simple link in lip guides instead of using the lt I for that, but I don't think Ken has experienced that with.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Of course, this use work with.
Ken Fujiuchi: I haven't had faculty complain about it but either they it didn't happen for us, for whatever reason, or.
Ken Fujiuchi: That faculty just have the instruction, so they you know it's easy as picking the options again.
Ken Fujiuchi: We we definitely have more people who just use like single pages or single content boxes, rather than the full page so that might be another.
Ken Fujiuchi: reason why it's easier to to link to the boxes, maybe when it comes to the manual option um and I should say, we can you can actually use the manual and what lawyers demonstrated the auto out of magic version of the lci together because it's supposed to work in a.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): mutually exclusive.
Ken Fujiuchi: yeah it was just an area instance we couldn't rely on the the automatic to always display the right content for the right courses.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So let me see and I think when I was specifically asking about the structure, I assume that our faculty would not know what the structure of a guide was and what so I said, you know, this is a guide each guide contains two pages.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): This is, these are the boxes So hopefully that would help them pick for ours.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): and show you.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And once it's that you will see that page.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): It says view content or edit it, so the Faculty Member will see that option as well.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So I think the next thing i'd like to show you is a settings and these are within live Apps actually couldn't find them and Ken was like you're probably under live Apps not lip guides and he was correct, so they are under live Apps then under admin.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So this is that setting I was saying, if you want your CSS if you want your style to be carried over into blackboard or whatever your LM s is I could just click enabled.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And this is where you can name this this is for the automatic thing.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So you could see like on the site at said library resources.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): and
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Unfortunately I set this stuff up.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Like four or five years ago, so I.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): can't remember all of this, but you can see, this is the metadata name that we use.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And can also told me there are statistics which I didn't realize, there were so that was kind of interesting to see that and.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): I look at launch count here.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): You can see, so this would have been our fall Semester and, by the way, the numbers here that 808 40 those are section numbers.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So the online courses have usually Oh, why is online synchronous you know, so that we have specific definitions for those so I could tell you just by looking at this, whether it's an online or face to face, and so you can see, this is.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): A psych 100 course just goes to the psychology research guide and apparently they clicked on that quite a bit.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Our research methods for mass media, quite a few of them clicked on it and they got to the communication studies died so you can see, there are few courses here that have gotten quite a few hits, which is very encouraging.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): Oh.
Ken Fujiuchi: And I was just going to chime in my stats are much lower because with the manual process it's more by case by case, if anything, we probably have more entries just because we have to create different.
Ken Fujiuchi: guides for different courses.
Ken Fujiuchi: But yeah ours is usually like in the 50s or some you know 6070s depending on the page that picking sometimes it's just like a reading list and most students only look at that once when you know at the beginning of the Semester and then never open.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): I think we must have this many of the 3639 for individual courses, like, I think it must and i'm sure some of them are zero you know they haven't clicked on it at all, maybe the Professor decided they didn't want that length visible they had it.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So we do have those zeros.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): But a lot of them are older, as you can see, like the 2017 so.
Ken Fujiuchi: And Laura can you switch to the library lci page I think that's the one.
Ken Fujiuchi: I think this is the default page right, but if if all else fails, this is the default page that appears and if it's just it's very basic if depending on which picture products, you have you know, most people just have like the lip guides A to Z list there by default.
Ken Fujiuchi: For us, this would have been the best we could do with the automatic option, because of the inconsistencies in the naming schemes that kept coming over Semester to semester.
Ken Fujiuchi: And this is kind of I said, like the quick links we already had on the tab are adequate enough that we decided not to pursue it any further.
Ken Fujiuchi: Again it's nothing wrong with the automatic a lot of times it's more the data.
Ken Fujiuchi: That comes through banner and you're on your campus, and this is going to be different from campus to campus.
Ken Fujiuchi: But I don't know if anyone was on the bright space DEMO a while back, but that was one of the questions I was to try to you know see if there's a way to at least put some effort towards consistent metadata schemes within.
Ken Fujiuchi: The bright space when we migrate, so that you know, even if it's if it's.
Ken Fujiuchi: convoluted naming scheme at least it's the same scheme for everyone that we could rely on.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): yeah ours is.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): complicated, as you can see, but it makes sense, and I can you know read understand what it says.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): So I will go ahead and stop sharing my screen.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): um one of the questions can I don't know if you saw this have you encountered any authentication issues like easy proxy cast etc between blackboard and spring sure when using the lci.
Ken Fujiuchi: I think that that's the nice thing about using this right like it's all through live guides content, so the only easy proxy issue would be if if, in your databases that you, you forgot to check off the you know include easy proxy link with the database listing.
Ken Fujiuchi: Because a lot of times, at least for us when we custom make the database list we just pick you know when we're building the lip guides you get to pick the database item and then put it on the list and.
Ken Fujiuchi: that's linked to our database A to Z and as long as that a busy list entry is up to date, then all of the database links that are being used through lta are up to date.
Ken Fujiuchi: And it's it's less of a headache and even if there is a problem it's so much easier to troubleshoot because everybody's using the same entry it's just from our side, we can fix it through.
Ken Fujiuchi: Working with a publisher or you know database vendor and fix whatever link usually it's the updated you know vendor link back that's the issue.
Ken Fujiuchi: And then just change it accordingly.
Ken Fujiuchi: I don't know if the autumn automatic person had any issues with them.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): um.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): We haven't had any problems, but I am aware that.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): I believe easy proxy goes through our cast server, whereas the blackboard login goes through our Microsoft, as our server so students may need basically you know there's the two different systems, so if students log into blackboard.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): They may have to log in again when like clicking on a specific database link just because they're different login systems, but.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): I don't I haven't heard of any other problems other than that.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): and actually I haven't heard of that being a problem as just thinking, logically, you know about what I know about those systems.
Ken Fujiuchi: I think we're in a similar situation but easy practically goes through a different system so, even if they are logged into blackboard it still prompts them for a login.
Ken Fujiuchi: I think that was the same whether it was through lta or when the Faculty was adding the links manually again what the problem and it's lta solids is the fact that you don't have to worry about the Faculty copy the link the right way or making sure they have the easy proxy.
Ken Fujiuchi: I don't know if anyone out there is using the.
Ken Fujiuchi: Was it the eternal or a reserve module, but I just remember that that was the one other thing that would integrate with the lci So if you wanted to if anyone any campuses using that for their reserve content.
Ken Fujiuchi: That also would be, I think the the one instance where instead of picking your your website, as the source of the guides you can pick the eraser.
Ken Fujiuchi: And that has more options for like customizing course content to but that's a whole different system, but if anyone's using that and may not have realized that they can easily add the content it's a lot less headache.
Ken Fujiuchi: Because it's same thing, like that one focuses more on journaling or like.
Ken Fujiuchi: sort of course of course reserved materials that you might have I know we've done like archival materials that have been scanned in and things like that and it's basically to lock down.
Ken Fujiuchi: Within the reserve system, so you can only access it.
Ken Fujiuchi: Through authenticate authentication.
Ken Fujiuchi: But it made it a lot easier when we used to have it, it was it was a little expensive add on so we dropped it after a while it just wasn't as used as the guide content, but it was nice because, again, for the same reason.
Ken Fujiuchi: If, of course, just needed a link to an article, it was much easier to update that one entry in this picture product rather than going through multiple instances of all of those those article links.
Ken Fujiuchi: And we still do it just me we make it into an asset, as if for anyone who's familiar with look guys, you can make links to assets there'll be in your asset list forever and then you just have to update that asset for the course.
Ken Fujiuchi: Are there any other questions or.
Ken Fujiuchi: reactions or.
Ken Fujiuchi: i'm hoping it's not too intimidating, because it really is just pick picking and choosing what you what you want to add, for the hard part is just creating the content in the first place.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): um can there's a question that you will need to feel.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): We don't have Libya answers that as we go on, but kind of was showing me some the banter stuff Brenda asked can faculty select to integrate live answers faqs using LTE or just strictly guides.
Ken Fujiuchi: we've done that, before um.
Ken Fujiuchi: I i'm pretty sure.
Ken Fujiuchi: I wish I checked uh I don't think there's a direct link with live answers through lci, but what we have done in the past is we create an faq like page in a live guide.
Ken Fujiuchi: That the Faculty can import into the blackboard using lta, so it is a sort of around about, but you can you can do like a widget through live answers put it into a live guide and then that makes it accessible through the blackboard lta tool.
Ken Fujiuchi: Oh yeah we've done live wizard tutorials to.
Ken Fujiuchi: Again, you just kind of have to embed it into a live guy so it's not directly with I don't believe there were if there might have been an update with live wizard where they do that now, but in general, we used to just take the forms from live wizard or the tutorials and embedded into.
Ken Fujiuchi: The live guide itself first and then that that gave the option to integrate into blackboard.
Ken Fujiuchi: we've also done this with live couching like calendar things and so there's a there's a lot of flexibility with the lt it once it's set up, and I think that's the one nice thing like you set it up once and then it opens up a lot of possibilities and potential through this picture products.
Michelle Eichelberger: Any other questions.
Michelle Eichelberger: This has been really great kind of mark thanks so much for doing this.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): And no problem.
Ken Fujiuchi: If there's anything yeah oh go ahead.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): I was just gonna say personally, I do think that i'll ti plus all the other functionality like Ken and I were talking about the group's functionality and we both use that for different reasons.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): But we both I feel I can feel that live guides cms is worth the additional cost top grade.
Ken Fujiuchi: And I was just gonna say if anyone wants to reach out to us specifically to like you know talk about their instance on their campus you know feel free.
Ken Fujiuchi: A lot of times the hardest part was just convincing the blackboard person not chip is to trust us and implement the lt I, but I think lta in general is trusted enough because it's very low impact on blackboard systems.
Ken Fujiuchi: Because really all it's doing is just creating a link to a particular.
Ken Fujiuchi: product that supports lta and then from there.
Ken Fujiuchi: The siphon tweaking it or entering.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): A couple of like.
Ken Fujiuchi: values in in the settings in blackboard it's really easy setup process there's no additional software or anything like that, at least not through scripture.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): 10 do you want to throw your email address in the chat.
Ken Fujiuchi: For you.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): I should disclaim I did work for spring share for five years i've been in hospital for six years, so it's been a while, but.
Laura J Harris (She/Her/Hers): i'm maybe a little bit biased towards for sure.
Michelle Eichelberger: All right, well, if there are no other questions, then i'll stop the recording and I will post this on base camp, so if you want to share it with anybody on your campus you are welcome to do so, so thanks everyone thanks again Ken and Laura.
Michelle Eichelberger: And thanks for taking your time to come, see this presentation today.