Yvonne Kester (she/they): Alright, thanks for joining me today for what maybe a review for many of you for semester maintenance and in all month.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I have a good deal to cover today so i'm just going to.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): The one.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So to quickly review the roles needed to manage calendars the general system administrator will allow you to edit both the institution and any libraries, you may have the fulfillment administrator will let you edit just the library that you're stoked to so.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): that's the difference there also in addition sleepers can enable the following roles to edit calendar information for a library, all you have to do is contact actually burst, to enable this, so the circ desk manager operator and operator limited or the requests operator can be.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): allowed to do those editing.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): There are three types of ours and Alma the standard opening hours are your regular hours during terms, and those are set in the individual libraries configuration.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): events are used to force the end of a loan period on a specific date, such as the end of term, and those are set in the institution.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Exceptions change the standard opening hours temporarily, and those are set, either in the institution configuration or an individual libraries configuration, however, when I set up exceptions, I I tend to do them within the libraries just find it easier to have everything right there.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): a note on this libraries inherit events and exceptions from the institution, but they do not inherit standard opening hours, so those must be set into inner libraries themselves to be effective.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Another thing to remember is that due dates fines overdue blocks booking times and overdue and loss loan profiles, depending on what you have configured in their library.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): are influenced by the standard opening hours, so they are important.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So to jump in the first thing that I do is to add an end of semester event.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Some things to notice note about these are that only one end of semester event may exist at a time and the event must be set on an open day, and if you set a time and last fall within open hours.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So a visual on that you're going to be configuring at the institution level.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): and
Yvonne Kester (she/they): To to add a new event.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): you're just going to click on add record and the record type is going to be event.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): The description is end of semester or end of term and then you're going to choose the dates, make sure it's an open day for you, and then, if you do choose an hour choose an open hour and then click add and close.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Now I showed you this because, obviously, under here, you can see there's already an end of semester events you can't add another one until that one passes, which is tomorrow so once it passes i'll delete it and then add this new one for the spring term.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): that's it just make sure you apply changes and click save the apply changes is so important because it runs the job.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): If you don't if you don't choose that before you click save none of none of what you've done none of your work will be applied so just sort of beat that point into the ground throughout this.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): presentation.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So next we're going to go to the library level.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): In all my configuration you're going to change configuring to your library up at the top left then you're going to click on fulfillment and open hours.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So the first thing you're going to do is take a look at your standard opening hours by now, you may have standard opening hours that are close to or past they're valid to date.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): You don't need to create new standard opening hours, all you need to do is click on the ellipses next each one of them and choose edit.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And then just click save and that standard opening hours instance will then move to the bottom of your standard opening hours and exceptions, if you have any in the table and the valid to date will now be three years in the future.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So a visual on that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): You can see here that the valid to date is getting close to you know it's less than a year away.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So all you do is click scenes click edit.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And then click save and you'll see that it POPs down to the bottom of the table with a new valid, to date, three years into the future.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So the next thing you might want to do at your at the library level is clean up your old exceptions, this is optional, but it just keeps things clean and.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): easy to see what's going on.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So it's easy to delete those just click on the ellipses and click remove.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So now you're ready to add no exceptions.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So some tips on adding new exceptions, if possible, have a calendar of your regular hours open for reference this just helps to keep things to keep track of where you are.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): click add record at the top of the table, change the record type to exception, the status should be closed, most of the time, but you may want to have opening hours outside of your standard opening hours and then, in that case you would have it be open.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And then your valid from invalid, to date, two dates are the only other required fields.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): and other notes on this, if you leave the from our end to our fields blank the exception will cover the full 24 hour period of that date.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And then, just to know on.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): On standard opening hours and exceptions and how they work.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): When you when you create an exception, it is an exception to your standard opening hours, which is a little tricky to get your head around it first so i'm just kind of address this here on this slide and then i'm going to do some other examples, before I go into the live DEMO.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So say your standard opening hours for Fridays are 78 am to 7pm and you want to close at 5pm so your exception is going to cover that to our time that you would normally be open, so you would your exception would start at 5pm and go to 7pm.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Another example your standard opening hours or Sundays from 12pm to 12:30am and you want to close on Sunday, so you would have to make two exceptions for that the first would close all day Sunday and then your second exception with flows Monday from 12am to 1238.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Some more notes on this.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): If you're adding many exceptions at once.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Just click add and the window will stay open leaving all the information that you just saved in the fields, so you can just like change the date and change the times and click add again.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And just keep working so when you're finished adding exceptions just click add and close and then of course click on apply changes to save those to run that job and then click save.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Some more examples, before I go into live DEMO.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): say your standard opening opening hours are Thursday from 8am to 12:30am on Friday and you're closing at 9pm on Thursday that's today.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): At an exception, with a valid from and valid to date of December 16 the from our is going to be 9pm.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Because that's where the exception to your normal hours begins on the two hour is going to be 1159.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): click add.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Then, change the valid to invalid from date to December 17 and change the hours to 12am to 1230.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): click add or add and close to save your changes.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So visual on that and see.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): The first exception that you would use for this today.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And then your second exception is going to fall tonight.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): But Friday from 12am to 1230.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So another example.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Your standard opening hours include Saturday and Sunday hours and the library is closing for the weekend.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So you just you need one exception for this you're going to leave the day of the week blank valid from date is Saturday valid to date is Sunday, you can leave the from our into our Blank or you can put.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): 12am to 11:59pm and i'll do the same thing, and if you are closed for longer periods you just increase the span between the dates.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So there's a visual on that you can see.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): The different dates in here, and of course you can leave these blank and I will do the same thing as as the slides just click add and close.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And another.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): example before I get into the live DEMO, this is a little snapshot of new policies calendar for their intercession hours next week, starting on Monday, so we have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and all of them have 8am to 5pm intercession hours.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): If your Monday to Thursday standard opening hours are all the same, your exception can span all four days and then be the same.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): But if you're thursday's standard opening hours or like my previous example open until 1230 on Friday morning, you would make one exception spending Monday through Wednesday one exception for Thursday and then one exception, for the first half hour of Friday.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And then you would just continue on making a making your exceptions here intercession.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So one more time i'm going to tell you don't forget to apply changes and save.
Susan Perry: Very important, I have a question about that, when you have a.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Great.
Susan Perry: yummy to ask you now.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): yeah.
Susan Perry: Before Okay, so you said that you, you when you do, that a job runs does that job run immediately, or does it get queued for later in the day, or when does that chop run.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): It runs immediately.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Okay yeah it doesn't take long usually either okay good.
Susan Perry: Thank you.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): you're welcome.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And I just put some helpful links here at the end of my slideshow which I will share out when I share the recording and if nobody has any other questions i'll just go into the live DEMO.
Okay.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So i'm going to go in.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): To new paltz, and this is their production environment.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Is everybody seeing us.
Susan Perry: yep.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Okay okay good Okay, so I just want to say thank you to Christie for allowing me to to do this in their lot in their production environment.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): really appreciate that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So you're going to go to configuration.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): and
Yvonne Kester (she/they): It defaults to the institution here so.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): we'll do that first.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So you're going to go to fulfillment and opening hours under library management.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And you can see here that we have an end of semester events happening tomorrow at five o'clock and I just going to draw your attention here that the status is open.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And i'll go ahead and and start to add another event just to show you that that is not a choice in here, so it just kind of underscores the fact that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Your end of the Semester event must be set on an open day, and if you use that hour, it has to be, it has to fall within your opening hours i'm just going to close that because you know already that I can't add another one until this one it's gone.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So that's, the only thing that I do in the institution.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And i'm going to go back or i'm going to start working in the library.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And, before I do that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I want to share this with you so that you can see what i'm working on.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): This is a.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): New pulses calendar.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): You can take a look at that, but i'll show it to you here, I can drag it over.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): y'all see that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So you can see that today we are in our session hours already and i'm.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Just drag this back over.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Open up that calendar.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I already added the intercession hours for today, but you can see that I added to.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): If you're looking at their calendar, you can see that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Indeed, on Thursdays, they are normally open from 8am to 12:30am, and so I added to I added those two exceptions to cover today so i'm ready to go into Friday in the daytime.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): and
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So their intercession hours on Friday 8am to 5pm so i'm going to change this record type to an exception it's going to open up a whole new.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): form.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): day of week is optional.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): valid from date it's going to be the 17th.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): To date, it's going to be the 17th and their normal hours on Friday are from 9pm or eight from 8am to 9pm.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So they're closing at five so my from our is going to be 1700 or five o'clock because that's when the exception begins and then the two hour is going to be 9pm which is.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): it's closed.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And that's it, so I need to make more edits I need to add more exceptions so i'm just going to add just click add.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And you'll see this this message saying that the changes have not been applied, yet you have to run that job.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): But it leaves this open and it leaves all your information there so, then you can just work from there are my next exception is going to cover the weekend, because both days are closed.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So my valid from is going to be Saturday my valid two is going to be Sunday.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And as we noted before I can either.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Do it from 12 midnight to 11:59pm or I can just leave that blank and it'll close for the whole time.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So that covers the weekend.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): and
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Let me scroll down on my other screen so now we're up to next week.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And, as I said.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I can add I can add an exception next week that will cover Monday through Wednesday.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Because Thursday is different.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And the exception hours are going to run, so the intercession hours are from 8am to 5pm but my normal hours are.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): 8am to 9pm.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So my exception is going to start at 5pm.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And it's going to run until 9pm and that's going to cover Monday through Wednesday.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I add that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And then we come to another Thursday so.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Next week, on Thursday, my exception it's going to run just for Thursday.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): and
Yvonne Kester (she/they): it's going to start at 5pm.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): But it's going to run until.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): 1159.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): i'll save that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): change it to the next day.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And do that little half hour time.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): That would have been open.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): see that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Now, as you can see if you're looking at their calendar.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): they're closed on Christmas Eve, so what I could do here is actually just saved myself.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And i'm not sure if it'll let me do it at this time, but what I could have done is just made this all the way to 11 let's see if that makes it allows me to do that.
Let.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): me just change that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I think it's gonna throw an error yeah, but I could have just closed that whole day.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): But.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): If you're also if you're if you're looking at their calendar I couldn't have like just close from.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): December 24 to.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): January 30 or December 31 which they're closed like that whole time, I would still have to add dude I don't know if i'm explaining this I feel like i'm just rambling but.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Although I can make an exception to close all day on that Friday I would still need to make another exception to close from the 25th through the 31st if that makes sense.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I hope it does i'm just going to close this at this time and take a look at those.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So we have an exception that covers Thursday.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I could have made this exception for friday's close the entire day instead of doing three which i'm going to have to do now, I could have just done to.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): That makes sense i'll go ahead and make that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Second exception for.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Friday.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Mostly full day.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Actually.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): let's see what yeah it's gonna do with an error on that one too, because I already have one for Friday from for the first half hour, so now i'm going to have to do.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And that will let me do it.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Now.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): i'll make an exception.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): that's going to cover.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): all the way through.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): January 2 2022 they're closed for that entire period.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Leave those blank.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Like adding close.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So that covers all the way up until.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): January.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): 2 before they open for their normal intercession hours for the next couple of weeks, and at this point i'm going to go ahead and ask you if you have any questions or, if you want me to.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Continue adding exceptions.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Jim go ahead, if you want to unmute yourself.
Jim: I don't know if this is.
Jim: A good time to ask, but since I can see end of semester event right there on the screen It reminds me of a question that I had which may or may not be appropriate for this venue but.
Jim: So I have an end of semester in my calendar and due dates are going beyond the end of semester so speaking to my systems person she says, you have to change the due date policy and the terms of use to end of semester.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): But.
Jim: Then I would have to manually do I have to manually turn those off or is it a situation where it's it will work, as you know, the due date or the end of the Semester whichever comes first.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): date or end of semester, whichever right.
Jim: We have 16 weeks ours or 16 weeks so if someone were to take a book out today a student at least.
Jim: We would want it to hit the end of the Semester, which is tomorrow, instead of them taking it home with them.
Jim: But if someone's in winter session, obviously I would want to be able to.
Jim: them to get the 16 weeks so makes sense.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Yes, it does, I believe.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I believe that you would be able to override that manually but you might have to have the like circulation manageable, to be able to do that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): that's my initial response, but without testing and I can't say that absolutely for sure, but I think you would be able to override override that date.
Jim: Okay, now, but for the people who like if the end of the Semester, if someone checks it out today and it's supposed to come back tomorrow.
Jim: Do up, let me, let me start over if let's go to next semester, if I put in end of semester event for the end of next semester, and someone takes a book out now does it extend it to the end of semester.
Jim: If it's at the end of the Semester is more than 16 weeks with.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): No, I mean you're if you're due date is 16 weeks it wouldn't automatically go to the end of the Semester.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Because that's much farther than 16.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Right at this point right.
Jim: You see, if the i'm just that's terms of use or weird to me that that you put in dude a policy and up semester.
Jim: Okay, thank you.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So yeah.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): yeah go ahead.
Susan Perry: Sir okay so just to I know joe's got her hand up to you, but just to piggyback what Jim asked, so this is the case where when you make changes like this, you have to run the job that says update your calendar changes right is that the right application of that job.
Susan Perry: Yes to change the due dates on the books so like what so jump to your question, if you did change something to be end of semester you'd have to to run the job of calendar changes to get to date stuff date.
Susan Perry: So it's like a two step thing.
Susan Perry: But the way and also, I think the way to so you said, if someone checks out something today, and you want to lend them to be able to keep it for 16 weeks.
Susan Perry: I think the way you can do that is to have your to use go into play earlier than like today, like you would say okay we're you know anybody that checks out a book.
Susan Perry: As of December 1 we're going to give them the 16 weeks we're not going to make them, you know, bring it back two weeks, am I right on that one.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I would have to look into that I will I wasn't really preparing to answer that question today, so I would I really.
Susan Perry: Because it is confusing is that it has.
Susan Perry: to do with the to us, which are a total nightmare so okay.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): yeah I just have to read familiarize myself every time I worked in practically.
Susan Perry: Maybe Jill has the answer, maybe that's why.
Susan Perry: She has her hand up.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Go for it.
Jill Kehoe: doesn't have the answers to anything.
Susan Perry: Oh sure you do.
Jill Kehoe: um.
Jill Kehoe: My question is kind of related to jim's.
Jill Kehoe: Question so we.
Jill Kehoe: We do a patron low every semester, and we update the page and expiration dates, to be the last day of finals so if they were going to check out a book today final dense tomorrow so they're due date would be tomorrow.
Jill Kehoe: Is it easier to just you know do it via the calendar as you're showing us now, then, to do it through the patient load.
Susan Perry: Well, the pager load is just what I think Jennifer just put them in the chat the patron load is going to affect expiration dates of patrons so that's going to override any to us.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): yeah.
Jill Kehoe: Right.
Jill Kehoe: Okay, so all right students.
Jill Kehoe: You know nothing kind of spans the like two and a half weeks we have in between fall and winter selling everything gets returned.
Jill Kehoe: December 17 and then students come back January 3 so they you know if they need their books again they just have to re check them out.
Jill Kehoe: I didn't realize, we could do it through the calendar like this.
Jill Kehoe: With that event.
Jill Kehoe: kind of exception.
Jill Kehoe: I guess, my question is what's the practice because we do things kind of backwards here so whatever is easier recommend all i'll try that for now.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): um well I definitely recommend using the calendar your standard opening hours and endure.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): The semester event definitely do help you know.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): manage due dates and things like that I definitely would use your calendar.
Jill Kehoe: yeah we do for the hours and things because reserve books.
Jill Kehoe: You know, we it's only four hours so like they check it out an hour before we close that needs to be like automatically in there.
Jill Kehoe: We basically just have the same hours all the time, so we don't have exceptions really and we don't put in any events, I think we didn't know that event was an option.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Well cool Now you can now, you can use it as a tool at your disposal.
Susan Perry: So Yvonne question you have for the standard opening hours you've got one set for the semesters so so you've got like spring semester fall semester, and then intercession is a separate set of hours right so it's going to go from.
Susan Perry: fall Semester to intercession to spring semester Those are three different sets of so h's or does the soh cover like the academic year and you set up the exceptions for intercession how did you do that.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): yeah that's a good question like so your standard open that opening hours you can change those at any time, like people like if you had way different hours during coven.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): You would probably have wanted to set different standard opening hours, rather than try to create exceptions to all of your news, you know what used to be your normal hours.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): But basically, your standard opening hours are the hours that your library keeps most of the time, like during the semesters.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Your to your two big academic semesters and then probably your summer is a smattering of different kinds of hours.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): So.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): You keep your standard opening hours.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Simply because those are the ones you usually keep and then, when you have exceptions to those that's when you create exceptions does that make sense.
Susan Perry: Yes, did I answer your question.
Susan Perry: yeah it does and it sounds easier than the way that I was thinking of it, so I just I wasn't sure I must have missed what you said.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): yeah it's it's kind of a weird thing to to to wrap your brain around or I found it to be, but once I got it it's just.
Susan Perry: It makes it's like.
Susan Perry: backwards from how you, you know, think of it, but when Jill said, we do things backwards it's like within sleepers because they do.
Susan Perry: Okay, I got it.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Okay cool.
Susan Perry: And by the way, you're not rambling you're explaining this very well so.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Okay, thank you yeah I got lost in the weeds, no, no, no you're you're you're.
Susan Perry: It makes sense i'm just trying to wrap my brain around because I have not done a calendar in like two years, so this is great great.
Susan Perry: i'm just.
Reading.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): yeah yeah.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Catherine says we switched our students to all expiring in the summer and just use the end of the Semester event to have everything do on the last day of the current semester yeah you know.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): And, and I think a lot of places do that, we used to do that at skidmore to.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): At the end of the year.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Does anybody else have any questions or comments or do you want me to.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): do some more examples.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): I think I mean I looking at new pulses January calendar and it's I would be pretty much repeating what I just did, but I can I can continue it's it would be helpful.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Well, if nobody has any more questions i'm gonna i'll continue making these edits.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): For new paltz after the presentation.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): To get them all set up and then, of course, tomorrow, after 5pm I can I can.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): save this, then I after tomorrow at 5pm I can.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): go into their institutions.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): and delete that end of semester event and then add them, the new one for spring 2022.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Right now i'm gonna stop sharing and stop the recording.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Jim do you have your hand up again or.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Or is that from earlier.
Jim: No, that was up from or what your Thank you.
Yvonne Kester (she/they): Okay, all right i'm going to stop the recording.