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Shannon Pritting: Just wanted to welcome everyone who's joining us today to the Sunni library director reopening panel discussion and wanted to thank all of the directors who are our panelists.
Shannon Pritting: And I'll let each person introduce themselves, Tim. Would you like to go first.
Timothy Arnold: Sure. Thanks. Hello everyone, as Tim Arnold. I'm the director libraries that Jamestown Community College in here about six years in September and the last six months. Feels like a long time so
Shannon Pritting: You're up next, Katie.
Katie Ghidiu: Hi everyone. Oh, Kitty. Good deal at Monroe Community College. I'm the director of library services and I've been here for about five years.
Shannon Pritting: You're up next. Kate carry. Sorry.
Carrie Fishner: Hi everybody I'm Carrie Fisher. I am the director of the library here at SUNY Delphi, and I've been direct with your
Carrie Fishner: 20 um I guess for years.
Shannon Pritting: Sorry I skipped Karen.
Karen Gelles: Hi Karen Dallas Farmingdale State College. I've been a director for three years, but I've actually been at Farmingdale for 21 years this month somehow magically that happened.
Mustafa Sakarya: So hey, everybody.
Mustafa Sakarya: My name is Mustafa Cicoria and I'm library director at SUNY purchase. I'm definitely the green one in the group here because I've only been here 10 months. So it's been quite a dramatic start
Mustafa Sakarya: To my tenure here at at SUNY system. But that's, that's all, that's all fine. I'm rolling with it.
Shannon Pritting: Alright, so thank you to to all the directors and what we're going to do is we're going to go through a series of questions and then to
Shannon Pritting: Two directors will directly respond, and then others if there is any feedback or input that they'd like to provide. They can also join in.
Shannon Pritting: I'll be monitoring chat throughout. So I'll interrupt if if it's something that we want to talk about right then. If not, we'll get to Q AMP. A at the end.
Shannon Pritting: And I'll keep muting everyone except for the presenters unless
Shannon Pritting: You want to engage in a conversation and then feel free to unmute yourself and ask a question, but just try to keep yourself on muted, so we don't get a lot of background noise.
Shannon Pritting: Alright. So with that, I'd like to start off with the first question and turn it over to Tim and Mustafa to answer this question of, will you be open to the community. So Tim, or Mustafa who'd like to go first.
Sure.
Mustafa Sakarya: Okay.
Timothy Arnold: Um, so yeah, the Jamestown community gods were more not going to be open to the community. We've and this actually has been
Timothy Arnold: You know, it's been really useful using our lists are getting information. So the discussions going on in the background. But actually, on our campus. It hasn't been too hard of a cell. It's far I mean as far as on campus. The discussion there. There was a lot of concern about, you know, groups.
Timothy Arnold: Renting campus property and things like that coming in for events, though a lot of that very quickly was like, you know, we need to
Timothy Arnold: We need to control and know what we're doing, first with our students and faculty and employees and so
Timothy Arnold: You know, it was pretty easy, you know, to say, well, that's we're going to do at the library and we're still working on
Timothy Arnold: You know, everyone has to fill out these questionnaires and stuff when they come on campus and we're working that out with employees and we just started that this week so you know when that kicks in, with
Timothy Arnold: Students, you know, that's going to be another layer of, you know, interesting how that's going to work out. And so we just didn't want to make it any more complex and I think
Timothy Arnold: You know, I have talked to a couple of people on the phone, who, you know, I basically emailed
Timothy Arnold: A lot of people that are on our list and you know they've been understanding. But yeah, we'll see, you know, we'll see you next week when we actually open
Timothy Arnold: And we get we'll get people wandering in and and how that those conversations will go but so far. Yeah, we're, we're going to stay closed and reevaluate as things go on.
Mustafa Sakarya: Okay, so us, it's kind of similar at purchase. We went through a lot of discussion internally, a lot of very emotional meetings.
Mustafa Sakarya: To determine this question of whether we're going to be open or not. And clearly internally we absolutely did not want to be open.
Mustafa Sakarya: At least in the big, you know, in the early summer late spring. There was a lot of cases happening the city and we're very close to the city.
Mustafa Sakarya: So it wasn't similar wasn't too hard of a cell to keep us closed in the fall. So that is the case right now the physical space itself will be closed.
Mustafa Sakarya: But we're going to have curbside we're going to be definitely in fact we're broadening the scope of what curbside could do but the the process of deciding to be closed was was not so difficult, because there was the support of faculty
Mustafa Sakarya: You know, when we talk about the process that in which the library was involved. It wasn't, it was involved at the provost level with the deans and directors and
Mustafa Sakarya: They, they did support this idea that it might not be safe to open the library that we might be contributing to the problem. If we were open.
Mustafa Sakarya: And that could be specific to our library. If you've ever been to the SUNY purchase library. It's got a lot of nooks and crannies all over the place.
Mustafa Sakarya: Especially in the lower area. The most popular part of the library is just full of tiny little spaces.
Mustafa Sakarya: Where students could kind of just be forgotten, and just be there and congregate in non density way, you know, against density protocols, so
Mustafa Sakarya: That PLUS WE HAD A, we had a lessening of our custodial support staff. We had a lot of resignations and
Mustafa Sakarya: So it was just felt better to concentrate the resources that we did have on the few buildings that would be open.
Mustafa Sakarya: And not include the library, which was helps out and and really it was just that computing resources, the computing resources, the printing the scanning that was needed by students. And so with our IT department, being able to open about four labs on campus. Plus, we
Mustafa Sakarya: Let them borrow our scanners our
Mustafa Sakarya: Consumer scanners. We've we hopefully will take care of the the computing needs and the curbside will take care of the of the of the collection needs. So at this point we are going to be closed, but I did have to create a plan for what if we
Mustafa Sakarya: Are going to have more students on campus because we will have at least 1000 students on campus taking, you know, music and dance classes.
Mustafa Sakarya: While the remainder are just going to be face to face. So we do have to support the commuters and those thousand some odd students that are going to be on campus. But we have to be prepared in the spring, if there are more students or less. So that's our situation right now.
Shannon Pritting: The follow up question on that in the chat that I think is good that I'd like to pose to pose to anyone on the on the panel with you if you've gone through this at your campus.
Shannon Pritting: Is, are you restricting access to other Sunni students. So if, as soon as a student comes to try to access. Are you treating them as a community member, or do you have a different policy for a Sunni students who are not your own student that is
Karen Gelles: Um, I'll start if that's okay. So I'll here on Long Island. We have a lot of Long Island based students who attend other SUNY schools upstate who might be home.
Karen Gelles: And our initial inclination was that we wanted to support them. And once we did the head count of how many seats, we could really fit in our building safely. It's pretty clear. We're not going to be able to do much to support anybody except our own students, faculty and staff.
Karen Gelles: At least at the beginning until we see how things pan out
Karen Gelles: We're restricting to our own campus users. Now we don't require an ID at the door. So I'm not sure how we're going to know it's them other than that they won't be able to log into anything
Karen Gelles: But, but that's what we're doing at least for the beginning of fall
Carrie Fishner: So high we are requiring an IV. So at this time the only users that are allowed in the building our current adelheid students, faculty and staff so we all have
Carrie Fishner: lanyards and ideas that have to be worn at all times current students have a different colored lanyard than current faculty and staff.
Carrie Fishner: And our residential students actually have a sticker that's on their ID, a special sticker that says Sunni doll by 2020 residence hall.
Carrie Fishner: To identify that their students that are allowed in the residence halls.
Carrie Fishner: So yeah, this time unfortunately we can't allow non
Shannon Pritting: briny the panelists, allowing SUNY students
Shannon Pritting: Specifically,
Mustafa Sakarya: You know, we're just allowing them to drop off materials at our in our, in our book drop, but similar to to carry we
Mustafa Sakarya: We have to restrict it to purchase credentials only part of that is because our holds process.
Mustafa Sakarya: Is going to cut it would be difficult to expand it to these other groups that normally could borrow. For example, we allow
Mustafa Sakarya: Like certain other schools in the Waldo system. If you're part of the Walter system. We won't be able to allow that. So it really it just for now for the fall. It's going to have to just be purchase credentials.
Shannon Pritting: All right. Excellent will keep us going. I think we get to, you know,
Shannon Pritting: Yeah, so, uh, Andy. Andy. Andy from Orange asked a good question that you know if the panelists want to any panelists want to answer this. It's a
Shannon Pritting: He keeps hearing that there's some sort of an evaluation period to kind of assess the situation.
Shannon Pritting: And, you know, it sounds like that's a common refrain to have, like, we're going to see what happens. And then we're going to assess and he was asking is, you know, what's that assessment period as far as time and perhaps to see if there's any sort of consistency.
Timothy Arnold: Good question. Andy Yeah. That is a good question, and I wish I had an answer for, I don't know, we, you know, everything seems to be just planned for the fall semester and that seems to be this sort of consensus time period.
Timothy Arnold: You know one of one of my concerns is, you know, and I haven't heard this and maybe you know this in your campuses is where
Timothy Arnold: You know, where do you ship. If you do start to get cases around when do you, you know, when do you when you go fully online or something because I haven't
Timothy Arnold: You know, I think we're, we're just hoping for the best and planning as best we can. But yeah, I haven't seen as to how we would we would change that way. So,
Timothy Arnold: Yeah. And as far as having other students, you know, we're kind of right at the end of the state. So we don't really get, you know, I guess. Occasionally, we'll get Fredonia students in here but
Timothy Arnold: Until we get this sort of process bigger down as far as people filling out these kind of evaluation things they have to do every time you come to campus until we
Timothy Arnold: Figure out a way that we can handle it ourselves with our own students, faculty and employees that I'm not ready to open that up and I don't, we don't. Well, there is a plan in place, but it isn't quite finalized for visitors.
Karen Gelles: I think we need to assess ongoing right every week, something's going to get assessed or your staff burned out.
Karen Gelles: Are your patrons.
Karen Gelles: Distancing properly or you swamped. Are you empty. It's, it's going to be ongoing.
Carrie Fishner: I would say that
Carrie Fishner: In my mind, I've got like a six week kind of, you know, thinking that's kind of our typical when we would change our hours extend our hours in the normal semester. So, in my mind, I'm thinking it six weeks. Take a but I agree care and kind of
Carrie Fishner: Thing but six weeks is where I'm thinking that's a good stop and really take a big look at things.
Sorry.
Katie Ghidiu: That's okay. I'll just add in briefly. Um, I wanted to echo what Karen said, and that I think especially at the beginning. We're going to have to be pretty flexible in terms of how are our procedures working. How are, how is our
Katie Ghidiu: The flow of our spaces. How is that all working. Um, but in terms of like expanding services are opening up more broadly. I think that would be a slower decision and so similar to carry. I think that would be like a month or six weeks in
Shannon Pritting: Excellent. So it sounds like there's nothing being defined by the campuses, but you know you're using it as kind of a managerial perspective of
Shannon Pritting: Trying to try to figure out what your what your short term plans are as well.
Shannon Pritting: Alright, so we'll, we'll move on to reserves. This one we're also going to talk about, I think, at the access services question and answer next week, but
Shannon Pritting: You know this is something that we're hearing a lot about. So, you know. You'll hear. You'll hear about it twice. So I'm Karen, you want to go first on this.
Karen Gelles: Sure, I'm unlike some of the campuses. We are open fully at six hours a week, we haven't lost any staff and we're very happy that we're able to spread our usage out over the entire number of hours, we would normally have
Karen Gelles: And also reserves is our biggest ticket. It's always our heaviest circulation. So as a college that has over 9000 commuters and only 200 students living in the dorms this semester.
Karen Gelles: We need some spaces on campus for them to go. And so the library is one of those spaces so reserves is available, but we're doing a couple of things to
Karen Gelles: Limit the traffic there. We're not checking out laptops or headphones or our VR goggles that unfortunately just bought 20 of right before coven started
Karen Gelles: We have a two to our in house reserve, but we might see that drop a little this semester for a couple reasons. One is that are reserved budget is gone for this fall. If we get it at all. It won't be until December and it will be lower. So we won't have a lot of the new textbooks for September.
Karen Gelles: We usually get that money from our campus auxiliary Services Corporation, they run the campus contracts with the bookstore and food services.
Karen Gelles: And so obviously they're tapped. We're also going to do our best to limit physical reserves in the first few weeks by scanning limited portions of the beginning of our most popular textbooks, so that if someone comes and asks for that because their print copy hasn't arrived yet.
Karen Gelles: We will be able to say, hey, if you just want the first chapter two, we can provide that to electronically, even though we're not scanning the entire book for you.
Karen Gelles: I have an Alma analytics report if anybody wants to borrow it. That shows you
Karen Gelles: Will showed me everything that was checked out the first couple weeks of last semester by title by reserve course number so I can see what reserved books were used multiple times per day in the first three weeks of my last full semester. So if you want that report.
Karen Gelles: Let me know we we've done some basic engineering design at our desk where I'm going to try and share my screen here.
Shannon Pritting: stop sharing
Okay.
Karen Gelles: Go for today. Let's see if this works.
Karen Gelles: So we, we built some basic sort of in and out at our reserve circulation desk. So all of the checkouts will happen here.
Karen Gelles: For our circulating collection, we're telling them to return their books outside to the book drop and we're going to quarantine them for four days.
Karen Gelles: They'll just stay checked out for those extra four days. So, and will waive any fines, if necessary for
Karen Gelles: Returns of our to our reserve books, they're going to go over here. They here we have an action shot of Kathy returning a book to me earlier.
Karen Gelles: they'll stick it under the Plexiglas. I'm not sure if you can see in this picture of the plexiglass it's there.
Karen Gelles: they'll stick it under the plexiglass I scan it, and then they put it on that card on the other side of the barrier. So our circulation staff do not have to check that touch that returns book.
Karen Gelles: If nobody else checks out that reserve book, it'll stay on that cart for four days will rotate the carts each day.
Karen Gelles: If somebody wants to have the reserve book within the four days at that point we will clean them with wipes and check them back out.
Karen Gelles: But only when they are be requested, will we clean off the books that are being research related in less than four days. And this is something we're going to reassess if we find this is not working for us, you know, we'll, we'll play it by ear. Let me stop sharing
Karen Gelles: Okay.
Karen Gelles: You can go back to sharing Shannon. Sure. So that's what we're doing at least for day one.
Karen Gelles: Ready to pivot as necessary.
Shannon Pritting: Right. Um,
Shannon Pritting: Let's see, Tim, you want to talk about what you're doing.
Timothy Arnold: Sure, yeah. So we don't have a really robust preserve business. It's kind of petered off over the last few years, so we don't. At this stage, were not planning on doing physical reserves, we do. I mean, we do a lot of things like
Timothy Arnold: You know headphones calculators, stuff like that, and all of that stuff. We're going to stop doing when we, when we reopen I just can't see safely doing that we
Timothy Arnold: We have, like, and maybe lots of others have this is kind of like a office space, you know, where people can go in and use whole bunches and all that and all of that stuff. All that high touch stuff where we're removing. And so, you know, with reserves, where
Timothy Arnold: I haven't had a lot of feedback yet from the faculty about how this will affect them, but we're hoping it'll be, you know, a better conversation about
Timothy Arnold: You know, digital resources. We can use and things we can switch out there not relying because a lot of students from my perspective, don't really like the
Timothy Arnold: Physical reserve thing where you check them out for two hours. And it's kind of a hassle. So, you know, we're hoping for some better better conversations that way.
Timothy Arnold: And we also do laptops and so we're not doing that, although we have been involved
Timothy Arnold: With the kind of a Sunni coven laptop series that we're campus has got a lot of those. So we are. It was kind of trying to figure out how to do that. So we got involved and we're having we're kind of working with our
Timothy Arnold: Basically our counseling center to sort of go through the process of who needs them and then we're processing shipping them out, you know, using are you putting them in all that to track them but
Timothy Arnold: Yeah. So right now, we're not going to do physical reserves and we'll, we'll see how that goes, you know, with like everything else you
Timothy Arnold: Set things in place and then you see, you might have to pivot very quickly and you know you set up elaborate plans and then you have to change it.
Timothy Arnold: Halfway through so well. We'll see. But yeah, I don't, I am you know very concerned about that with items you know being handle, you know, non stop back and forth. I just, I really don't see a good way to do that safely.
Shannon Pritting: Anything else from the panel on this.
Carrie Fishner: There was no kind of before people got on.
Carrie Fishner: The
Carrie Fishner: Idea of control digital lending came up as we were talking about
Carrie Fishner: Reserved. So we were able on at a high more of the things that I did get through our budget process was to purchase spring shares the reserves.
Carrie Fishner: Module. So we are enacting here at Delphi, we're in the process of getting it, we got it through about four days ago.
Carrie Fishner: So we are just starting to put that group, but we are looking at using controlled digital London for the fall for the first time, so
Carrie Fishner: We are going to tear apart some of our textbooks that the library owns and scan them in their entirety and put them into digital London on using to Syria controlled the to London. So the physical textbook won't go out of the digital one will for a set amount of time.
Carrie Fishner: We're going to keep the physical textbook. We're going to remind it or print shop is going to work with us on that so that we still have it and can still use it. What an F, but just in
Carrie Fishner: The hope is that we're able to get things off of our customers because our students do use that heavily. They are one of our most certain action.
Carrie Fishner: And we are very concerned about that. So this is a one solution that we're trying we're anticipating that we will be scanning some of those but chapters on books that our faculty have given us those introductory chapters and some portions that will still be working with those try
Carrie Fishner: And we did put a request for up sanitizers here at The Ohio as well try to emphasize some of that research, but I'm still waiting. I
Carrie Fishner: Don't know what will happen, but I just wanted to throw out that we are trying to the land in here.
Shannon Pritting: So if anyone. There was a question that came up about UV UV cleaners. And does anyone considering or is going to use those for materials that will circulate more frequently than you can allow for quarantine.
Carrie Fishner: Did purchase UV book.
Carrie Fishner: A large book is Curtis had sent me what they purchased so I actually, that's what I requested was one of the ones that I requested and if it does six books at a time in 30 seconds. It's a book box.
Carrie Fishner: It also does laptops and some other items.
Carrie Fishner: There's upstate I know has a UV ones that they were able to purchase.
Carrie Fishner: Not sure. Who else has got one.
Karen Gelles: You know if anybody saw the Barbara Boyle workshop that SLC or single i'm not sure who hosted it did.
Karen Gelles: But she's from SUNY as Office of Environmental Health and Safety and and listed them is not recommended. I don't know if that means they don't work, or they're just too much hassle and money to be worth it.
Karen Gelles: But they were not in her list of recommended cleaning products.
Carrie Fishner: Some of the concern is that because you have, there's a lot of safety, you have to be careful with them and
Carrie Fishner: Because of the
Carrie Fishner: The possibility of cross contamination and how they work. So will you be ones in particular.
Carrie Fishner: You have to wear glasses for clubs degrees in them because the VM, because the concentration of UV
Carrie Fishner: That is needed to actually fill the virus and it's not with the ones. It's not like a 32nd or the box. It's enclosed and things, the ones that takes five to 15 minutes concentrated on an area.
Carrie Fishner: Where I think we all can go, it just flashes and it does its job. But that's not how it works. So
There's more than
Carrie Fishner: TC free Greg says they purchase TV boxes or small items.
Shannon Pritting: I'm
Carrie Fishner: Holly. The, the book hangs on a you put it in this on a hanger inside the box. So the pages actually kind of fan out
Carrie Fishner: So it gets to the pages to some
Carrie Fishner: Degree as well.
Shannon Pritting: Alright, well, we'll move on from reserves. I think we could talk about this at a fair amount, but looks like we've
Shannon Pritting: Looks like we've addressed this enough. Let's see.
Shannon Pritting: So IDs. I know we've talked a little bit about this already but Katie, do you want to talk a little bit about this of whether your libraries checking IDs are monitoring who's using the building.
Katie Ghidiu: Sure. So our campus. This fall, is I'm still going to be very restricted on who can access campus. And how many people can access at a time. And so what our library is doing is every student will have to make an appointment or a reservation to access the library and we've limited
Katie Ghidiu: Our spaces. So in our main library on our Brighton campus. We have three floors. Normally, and we're limited access to the main floor, which is where the majority of our computers are, um,
Katie Ghidiu: And then in our downtown campus. We're also taking a section of our Learning Commons and making it available and then we will be using locale seats to set up every single seat and whether it's a computer station or a table or a study, Carol, and we've removed.
Katie Ghidiu: All the extra chairs and so students will be able to make a reservation and then check in and out using their phone or
Katie Ghidiu: Hopefully with their phone. Once they get to the station where they'll be working
Katie Ghidiu: And so we won't be checking IDs, but we will be making all students make an appointment to use our space.
Shannon Pritting: Excellent. I'm
Shannon Pritting: Carrie. You want to talk about how you I think you've already kind of kind of spoken about this, but this is anything you want to add
Carrie Fishner: Yeah. So as I said, we're where everyone's wearing it needs.
Carrie Fishner: To be will be looking for that you're not monitoring in the library at this time. We don't have a reservation system setup. We don't have any software for that at this time. So we're not going to
Carrie Fishner: Be doing that will just be keeping track manually. How many seats are available. How many students are in the building.
Carrie Fishner: We did request a swipe machine for the library card reader when they were talking about having us.
Carrie Fishner: Have to sign in that kind of went off the table.
Carrie Fishner: We haven't heard back about that. So at this time. I don't think that they're having us to do any contact tracing regularly in the library.
Carrie Fishner: Heard about it in the last two weeks.
Carrie Fishner: So we'll see that could change.
Carrie Fishner: But when I brought up the fact that I didn't want to have a staff member having to sit there and write things down, are going to be students with necessarily Simon
Given a notebook of the pie.
Carrie Fishner: And I thought it would be a better idea idea for them to get their ideas.
Carrie Fishner: That I do so at this time, as far as I know there's no actual
Okay.
Shannon Pritting: All right. Um,
Shannon Pritting: So here's a another one about, you know, kind of changing the flow. And so, how have you handled changing entryways and adjusting traffic flows to encourage distancing as far as in the in the space.
Shannon Pritting: Katie, you want to handle this one.
Katie Ghidiu: Sure. Um, so I walked through the space with our head of facilities and our head of public safety and we talked about how we could make some adjustments.
Katie Ghidiu: And so a couple of things that we're doing. Are we have a separate entrance and exit for our main campus library. So one door is only an entrance one's only an exit. Um, we are going to be using some stanchions just to kind of encourage
Katie Ghidiu: The direction or the flow that people are traveling and then I mentioned before, but we're closing off our upper floors with our stacks, um,
Katie Ghidiu: So we're closing off our stairwells, but for staff, we're going to have designated up stairwells and designated down stairwells, so that you won't bump into someone when you're
Katie Ghidiu: Heading up and down with books.
Shannon Pritting: Carrie, you want to give the Delphi perspective on this.
Carrie Fishner: Is by sound better I got messages. Okay, good. I just changed my mic so
Carrie Fishner: We also I met with our head of health and safety on campus and did a walkthrough as well to look at our space.
Carrie Fishner: And we only have one entrance main entrance to the library. We have one stairwell. It's in the center of the library that goes up to the upper floor. So we can't designate stairwells, up and down, unfortunately, although I would very much like to
Carrie Fishner: So some of the things that we have done, we have an elevator. So that's been designated as one person at a time.
Carrie Fishner: We have put stanchions you know at the desk to remove some of those the spacing.
Carrie Fishner: Our stacks are not closed, they're mixed in with our study spaces too much. So we have designated any I always as one way, and we'll see how well that works, but we have put up signs. We've also
Carrie Fishner: Tried to reorganize some of the walkways around the library with our seating and such, so that they're wider there's more spacing, obviously.
Carrie Fishner: You know, as we did in March, we did remove a lot of the chairs the computers, things like that. So that we're down a number of seats. We removed.
Carrie Fishner: I don't remember exactly how many, but quite a few of those. We have also moved our printers and they were in the main part of the library on the main floor and we've actually moved those into what was our old library Cafe.
Carrie Fishner: So now when you walk in the library, the printers are off to the side right in that open space. And the idea there was to keep the printers.
Carrie Fishner: Out of the main space so that students weren't walking all the way into the library, when many times, they're just coming into pick up printing that they've printed from their rooms or on their way to class.
Carrie Fishner: And hopefully that will reduce some density and some contact within the building itself.
Carrie Fishner: Yeah, we, we still have a lot to do in my mind. I've struggled a little bit with our facilities in getting things in the library done our library. A lot of they focused a lot on the classrooms, even though we have a lot of classes being done online. There's been a lot of discussion.
Carrie Fishner: When I met with our facilities person was, oh, I didn't think about that. And when we were talking about things that the desk.
Carrie Fishner: And she was like, what the Stanton's a work and I had to have a good conversation with her about the fact that while our service people have to actually physically interact with the students.
Carrie Fishner: And she seemed very surprised by that. So we are getting some plexiglass shields, we are getting some other things that
Carrie Fishner: She didn't think we needed at first. So it did take some good conversations
Carrie Fishner: But we're on we're on the right track. I think
Carrie Fishner: We're just coming down to the wire now.
Shannon Pritting: There's a good follow up question from Chris and I don't think it's specifically for you, Carrie, but just for the whole group. So anyone feel free to chime in. She was asking, you know, if you're if you're
Shannon Pritting: Pushing you know one or one or two doors for specific entry ways. How are you handling accessible entry ways or just, you know, accessibility concerns.
Shannon Pritting: Or planning.
Katie Ghidiu: Now, and we're fortunate and that both are both doors that we're using our handicap accessible.
Katie Ghidiu: So we didn't have to address that.
Katie Ghidiu: But we did. We do have designated. Just to follow on, we do have designated
Katie Ghidiu: Some of our computer stations as accessible and we're noting that in the reservation system. So students will be able to reserve.
Katie Ghidiu: That seat specific specifically
Shannon Pritting: This has this issue come up for anyone else on the
Panel.
Alright.
Okay.
Shannon Pritting: Alright, so there's already been some discussion on this but and I know so just a disclaimer. This was the question that you know I think everyone in the panel was was like we don't necessarily have a lot to add in this in this discussion.
Shannon Pritting: So, uh,
Shannon Pritting: Karen, I'll turn this over to you. Have you had any discussions about HIV AC and just, you know, anything you can add about that. I'm, I'm not sure if you've gone on the Merv rating scale or anything like that, but just anything you can add for it for that.
Karen Gelles: Yeah, so when the governor first made his announcement about, you know, malls have to have Merv 13 or whatever. I did reach out to our facilities manager here and said, is this, you know, something that we have
Karen Gelles: And the answer was that we have Merv we have equivalent filters in our building. He did not say they were Merv rated filters.
Karen Gelles: Are building is a big four story building with very few walls. It's one massive floor on every floor and then offices that have some walls on the sides.
Karen Gelles: So we have spots with great ventilation spots with no ventilation, we have almost no windows that open in the entire place and one front door so
Karen Gelles: We obviously have h back concerns.
Karen Gelles: But I recommend that everybody find that Barbara Boyle video because she really talks in in great detail.
Karen Gelles: About the the Merv filter situation in Sunni buildings and why some cans have it. It's just not going to work, but that they will have filtration.
Karen Gelles: And that this is a conversation that soon. He's been having with all the physical plants.
Karen Gelles: So I don't want to try and say anything technical when I don't know what I'm talking about. But she knew what she was talking about. And I hope that everybody watches that for for specifics was very, very helpful.
Carrie Fishner: I agree with Karen. The Barbara Boyle video definitely
Carrie Fishner: Her talk definitely helped in terms of the the H back concerns and explaining. I think what for those of us who don't understand that on a regular basis.
Carrie Fishner: What it meant and how it applied to our buildings, my building is similar to Karen's and that were three stories. We don't have windows that open
Carrie Fishner: Were awkwardly put together with offices that have been added over the years and
Carrie Fishner: So it's definitely been a concern here.
Carrie Fishner: We are not Murph 13 either we definitely don't have that. But they have extended our cycles to bring in outside air past the regular workday.
Carrie Fishner: We used to be able to, you know, set our clock to three o'clock, you know, in the summer.
Carrie Fishner: The whole system which that down. You'd hear it go, you know, it was shutting off, no more, no more outside air was coming in. So they have extended the cycles at the beginning of the day and the, the end of the day to do more of that.
Carrie Fishner: We have discussed, you know, our study rooms, because they're small rooms.
Carrie Fishner: The doors are closed, things like that, that they're okay, that there is enough ventilation that's going through there.
Carrie Fishner: So there have been some discussions, but I wouldn't say that.
Carrie Fishner: There's been a lot of discussion about the library, necessarily, or that I know what's happening. I know they did an assessment. They've done an assessment campus wide. I know there are other buildings on campus that they are much more concerned about. So overall the libraries in good shape.
Karen Gelles: I'm
Karen Gelles: Told was that
Karen Gelles: Sorry, we are changing them every three months instead of every six months, that's something else you can ask your campus.
Mustafa Sakarya: I just want to echo what Karen was saying and Jerry also that he was very much mentioned a lot by faculty by staff. You know what's going on with a track so it bubbled up in different groups.
Mustafa Sakarya: And so facilities has made adjustments, they're using. Similarly, an equivalent filter system. I don't know if it's exactly
Mustafa Sakarya: You know, whatever hospitals use, but we've been told that it's at the level of a hospital as far as on campus for those buildings that are going to be open.
Mustafa Sakarya: And the library is included in anticipation. If we do end up will well actually we have staff so
Mustafa Sakarya: It's it's important. Regardless, so we are we are going to have filters that are the equivalent of a hospital. I don't know if that's 12 or 13 but they are they, that's going to be part of what we're doing it purchase.
Timothy Arnold: Yeah, in my conversations with our buildings folks that. Yeah. It sounded like they were more, you know, it didn't sound like they were going to get that level of filter, but they've got better filters and they're changing them out more often.
Timothy Arnold: The building that I'm in now is built in 71 and the system is kind of older and
Timothy Arnold: Doesn't particularly circulate the air. Very well. We do have some outside windows and I've been pushing them to say, you know, can we open them up every morning, leave them open just to get some fresh air and
Timothy Arnold: So we're continuing that I mean somebody mentioned group study rooms and we have small group study rooms that really have no real good.
Timothy Arnold: air circulation and I, I just don't want to risk it. I've just said we're not going to use them right now and we'll, we'll assess later it's just
Timothy Arnold: I don't want to it. You know, I don't want to set. I think if we set up something that says, Oh, we have group study rooms, use them. It gives the impression that we've
Timothy Arnold: given them a stamp of approval that they're safe. And the other thing is saying, you know, we've lost staff.
Timothy Arnold: Across campus to and we don't have as many cleaning staff. So essentially, I think, in order to use one of those spaces, you need to be cleaning it after everyone goes in there. You need to have the air circulate and all and and I just
Timothy Arnold: I'm really uncomfortable with with encouraging that with our students are right now, we're just going to close them all and not going to be popular, but
Karen Gelles: That's where
Karen Gelles: We're also closing our small study rooms. What we don't have
Karen Gelles: Very many. One thing I did just ask a question, haven't gotten an answer yet is what about fans. We all have fans in our offices, it gets stuffy in here and we use fans all the time. Are they just re circulating
Karen Gelles: The indoor airborne virus and not letting it fall to the ground or something.
Karen Gelles: And he said he'd get back to me with an answer on that. I'll share it out to the list. When I get one.
Karen Gelles: But if they're going to recommend we turn our fans off and we're all wearing masks and it's a hot day in October and they decided to switch over to the heat instead of the air conditioning. There are going to be problems.
Katie Ghidiu: Yeah, I'll just add in. We were told no fans.
Timothy Arnold: Fans seems like a bad idea.
Katie Ghidiu: Yeah, we are also keeping our study rooms not making them available for the same concerns that Tim shared mostly cleaning
Shannon Pritting: All right. Excellent. We'll move on so we can get through all of our questions.
Shannon Pritting: So what is your institutional reopening planning structure look like. And then, how have you as the library then included as part of the reopening planning.
Shannon Pritting: So Mustafa I'll turn it over to you first.
Mustafa Sakarya: Okay, so I can speak to that a little bit. So we divided into task forces at purchase. So there was one on instruction on student services on
Mustafa Sakarya: Facilities and I believe health and safety. And so I volunteered to be on student services and one of my staff, who's responsible for our
Mustafa Sakarya: Our facilities management. She's on the facilities task force. So these task forces were intended to understand the needs of the community.
Mustafa Sakarya: bring that into some kind of a form that could ultimately be fed into the reopening a checklist or document that we that all of us as soon as created
Mustafa Sakarya: So those task forces are still in effect, they're still meeting, it's probably, probably continue to me, I believe, my understanding is will continue to meet in the fall and
Mustafa Sakarya: So I did have to sort of make sure I was on a couple of those groups because I wasn't initially invited. So I made sure I was on those. So the task forces are a great
Mustafa Sakarya: Way that we're planning the reopening. In addition, the provost has month weekly meetings with the deans and directors and as well as folks from facilities in it and
Mustafa Sakarya: There was a lot of early discussion about well, who should be open, who shouldn't be open what buildings are the most vulnerable, etc.
Mustafa Sakarya: And through those through that structure of those weekly meetings, there was a building of consensus based on some of my feedback that wow, maybe the library really does need to be closed. If that's going to be the safest approach.
Mustafa Sakarya: So that's part of so it was those sort of senior level cabinet sort of meetings that that I was part of and that allowed us to communicate this idea that we really should be closed, and there was consensus on that.
Mustafa Sakarya: The other thing that we're doing is basically trying to sort of understand
Mustafa Sakarya: Where we need to provide services if we're closed, which is primarily computing and and that kind of access, again, I mentioned that we have these other places. They're going to be available. And we're, we're going to be
Mustafa Sakarya: Having folks do our scanning or have scanning available, and this has been conversations with it, especially, but that's been separate conversations I've had
Mustafa Sakarya: With with individuals in those areas, but by and large, I feel that we were integrated into the reopening structure that eventually led to that that reopening checklist so I feel pretty good about it.
Shannon Pritting: Excellent. I'm
Shannon Pritting: Katie
Katie Ghidiu: I'll add on. We had a very similar structure at MCC so our campus had different task forces and I served on the student support services one
Katie Ghidiu: And as part of that was able to
Katie Ghidiu: help shape the larger plan for the campus reopening and then each department was able to create their own internal plan.
Katie Ghidiu: And that has to be presented to our campus executive policy group. So I have to present mine tomorrow for final approval on all of our plans, but so I felt that we were incorporated into planning at the campus level and then given
Katie Ghidiu: Some freedom to figure out how to best open our, our spaces and offer our services at our at our own department level.
Katie Ghidiu: And then I wanted to add, I forgot to add in the last question about study rooms, is that we are taking some of our study rooms and
Katie Ghidiu: turning them into offices for staff who don't have individual offices. So our campus policy is if you are not behind a closed door by yourself. You have to wear your mask the entire time.
Katie Ghidiu: And a lot of our access services staff don't have their own office which would mean they could never take their mask off the entire day at work. And so some of our study rooms will become offices individual offices for those people.
Shannon Pritting: Right. Excellent. Um. Anything else from anyone else on the panel and that that's a you know a big question just
Timothy Arnold: Yeah, our process has been very similar to what others shared you know there's various there was a
Timothy Arnold: Instructional working group and an operational working group. I was involved in the instruction one sort of at the beginning. And yeah, so it sort of just a cut and then we developed sort of individual plans or individual schedules that we submitted.
Timothy Arnold: So yeah, and then the same thing we've been converting over some study rooms to individual office spaces. In fact, we, we thought
Timothy Arnold: Well, we as because we lost some positions. We've actually been integrating the tutoring service in both library spaces on each campus. So that's been a fun thing to add to the stress level to
Carrie Fishner: Our processes is fairly similar. We have an academic program planning an operations group and then a student life kind of division.
Carrie Fishner: group that's been working on on the reopening plan and then each unit has also been responsible for developing our own reopening guidelines and plans that we presented to administration. So very similar overall
Shannon Pritting: All right, we're getting close to the end of the hour, so we'll move on here. So what's currently your biggest unknown about reopening and you know we know there's probably many unknowns. So this is kind of focusing on, you know, the biggest one, we'll, we'll start with you, Karen on this.
Karen Gelles: I listed three because I can't pick one.
Karen Gelles: But I'll do them quickly. The first is, I don't know how many people are going to walk through the door in any given day, we have classes on campus.
Karen Gelles: But more we have times where a student has a class on campus and then right before after that they have an online class.
Karen Gelles: So they need to be on campus to watch that online class. So the campus has developed these green zones where they can go and sit and log on and we're one of them. Are we going to see lots of these are very few. I don't know.
Karen Gelles: So that is my primary concern the the flow through the building will determine how successful anything is
Karen Gelles: My second concern is will we have enough supplies I I have grave concern about our ability to maintain the amount of supplies we need on campus and my third is, Will, are you will the people in the building comply with social distancing with masks with cleaning
Karen Gelles: Will they be used to complying with these things. By then, are we going to find our staff put at odds with users at various times. I want to avoid that, obviously.
Karen Gelles: But those, those are my three, those, those are the three things that keep me up at night.
Shannon Pritting: All right, Tim, what are your, what's your biggest unknown about reopening
Timothy Arnold: I'm kind of the same what Karen said one is just just
Timothy Arnold: How much use are we going to get we, you know, they've, you know, sort of administration, it's sort of estimated, we have the same thing in the combination of some classes are going to be on campus or the hands on classes.
Timothy Arnold: But many are not. And so it's really just saying what it, you know, and we have actually we've reduced hours. We've condensed our hours when our open
Timothy Arnold: But you know we're switching to this, you know, again, this sort of tech mode where he wants students to do a lot of web
Timothy Arnold: You know, zoom classes and things like that. And a lot of technology much you know everyone's ramping up all their all there Blackboard. And so there's like there's gonna be a lot more technology that we're throwing in our students. So
Timothy Arnold: Yet you know less students actually coming to camp. So it is it's so we're I'm very concerned that we don't you know and we're distancing we're trying to
Timothy Arnold: create as many sort of computer spaces that are safe. And in fact, we were just doing it this morning. And now there's just
Timothy Arnold: And I just don't know. Are we preparing all this and then we're going to force people to wear a mask. It's everybody very uncomfortable. People are going to come in and they're just going to
Timothy Arnold: They're going to come in and do what they need and they're going to run, you know, like it's not it's not going to be the library that were used to and every all the staff. We're going to be
Timothy Arnold: Just monitoring everyone if they're wearing masks and it's going to be sort of an uncomfortable environment. So I just really don't know.
Timothy Arnold: It was going to be very busy and we're going to have problems, you know, with social distancing and things like that, or
Timothy Arnold: Or is it going to be the opposite. We're going to do all this work and it's going to be crickets, there's going to be no one here, you know, so that's that's
Timothy Arnold: You know, one of the things, so we were debating and a couple people said that about you know do you close areas do you close down stacks and things like that.
Timothy Arnold: And I think the more I learned about this, the more I think it's better to have as much open space as possible. Essentially, because I did the last thing you want is people to be forced to congregate.
Timothy Arnold: Because you've closed down floors or areas and things like that. And we don't have, you know, in Jamestown, we have more square footage. So we do, and only in but I've
Timothy Arnold: You know, just, you know, we've kind of came to the conclusion that will keep as much of the spaces open as possible. And it's much more about sort of the air circulation and things like that.
Timothy Arnold: Rather than, you know, people going, you know, that was the first concern. Oh, people are going to go on the stacks and they're going to pull off a DVD DVD and then they're going to put it back and we're not going to know which one it is. And it's going to be condemned.
Timothy Arnold: So you know that i think that sort of is not really the big issue. The more the big issue is just people, keeping them separated, keeping the mass on keeping the fresh air. So we'll see see on the 24th.
Shannon Pritting: question came up from the chat. It's, it's, it's off topic of what we're talking about now, but I think it's a good one, that if anyone on the panel wants to respond. You know, I've heard this question, multiple times in different context of
Shannon Pritting: D, have you have you plan for what responses you will you're expecting your staff to have or what expectations. If someone isn't
Shannon Pritting: Complying with whatever safety measures so that might be social distancing, not having a mask thing. You know, so, so
Shannon Pritting: Has anyone discuss that as part of your reopening planning.
Timothy Arnold: Yeah, we've certainly it's come up a lot. And there is apparently you know sort of guidelines coming from the administration that they want to share. And that was one of the so in the original planning, they were asking
Timothy Arnold: You know, questions about what you need as far as PP and things like that and physical plant stuff. But then there are also asking, what do you need, as far as training.
Timothy Arnold: And, you know, one of the things I and I think probably a lot of people echoed this is that we really need consistent
Timothy Arnold: You know how to deal with this kind of thing people who either units a community members are not allowed in or people that aren't complying
Timothy Arnold: That everybody has, you know, we have specific steps that what you need to do with say students, you know, what is, what are the ramifications of not following that. So we're waiting, I'm supposed to. We're supposed to get something yesterday and I maybe it will come today maybe tomorrow.
Shannon Pritting: Alright, so that's the end of our, our questions that just that are only for the the audio for the panelists and I put together a few polls that are questions that the
Shannon Pritting: Panelists wanted to talk about
Shannon Pritting: So the first one is about budget. So I'm going to launch the poll
Shannon Pritting: And you feel free to respond. These are anonymous responses. So you should see a poll
Shannon Pritting: And if you aren't involved in
Shannon Pritting: budgeting, you can always put in a
Karen Gelles: Can the presenters. Take the pole or are you just seeing it.
Shannon Pritting: Um, let's
That's okay.
Timothy Arnold: We don't want to skew the results.
Shannon Pritting: Sorry, I didn't know that making you a co host would prevent you from
Timothy Arnold: silencing our voice. That's good.
Carrie Fishner: I see in the chat that a couple people share that they have sample scripts for
Carrie Fishner: Talking to non compliance students or if anyone is willing to share those that would be amazing if you want to share those out to the group because I know that's something that I would be really interested in seeing and I see several other people who have asked that, too. So
Shannon Pritting: Yeah, that's it, that's a good idea of something to to share across campuses because sometimes it just takes saying this is what they're using at this other campus. Yeah.
Shannon Pritting: Sarah, you can send it to me and I can distribute it
Shannon Pritting: All right. Um, so it looks like from the pole that
Shannon Pritting: You know, many are getting everything scrutinized and you know in a slightly larger group are
Shannon Pritting: Have already received a specific budget percent increase. I'm sorry thing the panel wanted to talk about in this area.
Carrie Fishner: I was just, it was, it was my question. I was just curious. I see in the chat. A few people said they, you know, they're waiting on the budget, we won't receive our
Carrie Fishner: Official budget for the fall and only the fall until into September. So I was curious where other campuses were at and what they were dealing with
Shannon Pritting: So and pulling on there. Yeah, share the results.
Right.
Shannon Pritting: So we'll move on to the next one.
Shannon Pritting: Which is the question. Are you aware of your campus plans for when there are confirmed covered cases on campus. So let me pull on this one.
Shannon Pritting: Right.
Shannon Pritting: And I figured, there's no na so you see you there. No we're not. No. I mean, if you don't know
Shannon Pritting: give everyone a minute we're a little over half of voted looks like it's about half half
Shannon Pritting: And Aaron, Aaron is bringing up some good points of, you know, things I miss. But yeah, so the students. Yes, but staff nada, nada.
Shannon Pritting: I get to end the polling and then share these but you know I think it's
Shannon Pritting: Yeah, it's interesting. About half half where you know there are specific confirmed cases or anything for the panel that you'd want to share about your plans of
Karen Gelles: Yeah, I, I would have put myself in the know. I don't know category, but the answer really is that the campus is going to work with the county health department.
Karen Gelles: At every case right and they will decide I think together at some point. All right, you've had too many are or not or, you know, this is one isolated incident.
Karen Gelles: We're not doing contact tracing in the library or in any other open buildings on campus, but certainly within credit bearing courses, they'll know who was in their rooms and they'll do it that way.
Karen Gelles: But I think most campuses would tell you, you know, we will consult with the health department because what what they would do in August is not what they're going to do in October or December. It's going to change dramatically as as things go up and down.
Shannon Pritting: That's a
Shannon Pritting: That's a great point and Mustafa we did you want to have to also
Mustafa Sakarya: I was just gonna say that for purchase with the only have like I said about thousand students on campus, some international students
Mustafa Sakarya: Some rooms are being kept in reserve for those that are confirmed as having coven so they can quarantine in those rooms.
Mustafa Sakarya: Where there's uncertainty is a what happens to the faculty member that taught the class at the students were in, and they have for other classes that they're teaching
Mustafa Sakarya: Will they be able to teach other classes or the and the the the guiding us to thought here is that, well, if everybody in the class is wearing a mask, including the professor and they're
Mustafa Sakarya: Sort of all separated by density and separation. Then they shouldn't need to be quarantined. But that's an unknown.
Mustafa Sakarya: Whether or not. Ultimately, what's going to happen and exponentially. If you look at all the number of places that those student that student might have been in in terms of other classes.
Mustafa Sakarya: You quickly run out of beds, where they could quarantine themselves. So, there is still a lot of uncertainty and I haven't been privy as to what's going on with that.
Carrie Fishner: And just to know. I know a lot of I saw somebody had said, you know, staff versus students
Carrie Fishner: Most cases if you're excuse me if you're going to be notified like to a campus like that. There was a positive case, they're not going to differentiate between a staff and student, you're just going to be notified.
Carrie Fishner: That there was a positive case due to privacy concerns. So you'll just know that there was a positive case on campus. That's how it was explained to us so
Carrie Fishner: You know, and then from there, what they do with the the positive case or how it's handled that would be different. I know on our campus.
Carrie Fishner: Positive students are going to be encouraged greatly to be sent home unless there's some reason that they can't go home, but otherwise they're, they're not going to be required, but they're going to be highly encouraged to go home, although we do have quarantine beds on campus.
Shannon Pritting: And I know we're at time. Thanks. Thanks. Carrie. Um, but I did post another poll. Which, you know, I think, is one about staff scheduling and and who's, you know, kind of how your how you're handling that. So I think the majority of people have voted on this, but I'll give another few seconds.
Shannon Pritting: Anything anyone from the panel wants to say on this. I know this is, I wouldn't say a touchy subject as much as it's a complicated topic that's, you know, you know, a lot of complexity and labor management.
Shannon Pritting: You know discussion. So feel free to share anything you'd like to, but you know, I'm not expecting anything
Mustafa Sakarya: It's, it's definitely touchy. For me, Shannon. AND IT'S MY BIGGEST WELL, MY BIGGEST unknown is similar in terms of what's the scope of curbside. What are we going to be expecting from curbside
Mustafa Sakarya: And if it increases if there really is a demand for materials will I be able to have my staff stagger more or less often and the words, will they be able to come in more often that circ staff, though it. That's my biggest unknown.
Carrie Fishner: Because they're very
Mustafa Sakarya: Yeah yeah
Carrie Fishner: I was gonna be. We're gonna be open. The building is going to be open. So I do need to have staff in the building. So our plan at this time is to do a
Carrie Fishner: An a team and a B team, basically. So we'll have we're splitting the week and and half the staff will be in for a cup, Monday, Tuesday, half the staff will be in Thursday, Friday, and then we're going to rotate Wednesday.
Carrie Fishner: The Wednesdays and that way the entire staff isn't in at any one time. And so we're minimizing. We hope you know across exposure. If that were to happen, and that gives some flexibility so that one week you're working from home, two days. The next week you're working from home, three days.
Katie Ghidiu: Doing the same
Karen Gelles: We're doing a slightly different version of AB. Some people were will work Monday through Thursday and then stay home Friday and the entire following week, so four out of 10 they're there are some people who are doing slightly different schedules, just so we can cover things like Fridays.
Karen Gelles: But we also were told that we might not have any student workers so so we haven't factor them into our scheduling yet.
Timothy Arnold: Yeah, we're the same we haven't, haven't been given the green light for student workers have been given quite a little quite a bit of leeway as far as who
Timothy Arnold: Can stay home. You know, it was basically kind of, you know, fill out the spreadsheet. How do you want to work and I appreciate that. That was, that was kind of a nice they
Timothy Arnold: Didn't really. I mean, it sort of had to go through an approval process. But generally, I think they were approved. So we've got people, you know,
Timothy Arnold: Trying not to mix as many people. And so that was that was kind of a good good outcome we didn't have to say, oh, what are they doing if they're home or any kind of scrutiny like that. So that's, that's kind of a good way to, you know, I'm pleased that that was the process.
Shannon Pritting: Alright, so we're past time and apologies that we went past time
Shannon Pritting: I guess it's a good question from Jill.
Shannon Pritting: Are, are your are your work from home plans, and I think this is for state operated campuses because this wouldn't apply to community colleges.
Shannon Pritting: Or your work from homes plan, plan is going to expire with the telecommuting policy in early October. And I think you're referring to the you up telecommuting agreement.
Karen Gelles: We're expecting that to be continued through the semester. But that hasn't happened. So don't quote me on that. But our Union our campuses have both said that they expect it to continue
Carrie Fishner: Ours to expect it to be continued.
Mustafa Sakarya: Yeah, same, same four hours of purchase.
Shannon Pritting: All right. Any last questions we're we're past time but you know if there's a if there's a question for the panelists.
Karen Gelles: eka
Shannon Pritting: Yeah, go ahead. Rebecca, did you
Know, okay.
Shannon Pritting: Anything else
Timothy Arnold: I just want to say thanks for this Shannon for putting this together before we we met you know a little bit before we reopened and we were saying this is like a group therapy for all of us making some of these decisions.
Timothy Arnold: On our own has been a challenge. So this has been this has been nice. Thank you.
Shannon Pritting: Yeah, no. You all did all the work. So, you know, you're the thanks goes to you all. So we appreciate it a reminder. So we're doing these on Thursdays apologies from us.
Shannon Pritting: We got some feedback that we scheduled next Thursday's
Shannon Pritting: Which is going to be circulation and and I ll and there was a pre scheduled
Shannon Pritting: A we are meeting then so we apologize. It's we're doing our best not to double book people but inevitably it does happen sometimes. So
Shannon Pritting: My understanding is, oh yeah, our services going to reschedule but it will be Thursday at two.
Shannon Pritting: Will be Cirque. I ll next week and we have a fantastic group of panelists. That will be facilitated by Tim Jackson. And then the last will be august 27 where we'll focus more on reference and instruction.
Shannon Pritting: adaptations for the the reopening as well. And we're still working on getting panelists for that so
Shannon Pritting: Stay tuned. We'll promote out those and the recording of this will be out in the next
Shannon Pritting: You know day or so.